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Old 06-13-2009, 01:24 AM
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Well ok,
I'm a double player who's made the move to the electric and, after scoring the opportunity to record an EP with a band and make a bit of mullah, decided to stick with it and improve. Problem is, I don't know where to start. At the moment i can follow the bass lines of the douche bag rock bands (and in some instances good ones, like Billy Talent and even some Chilis) and keep up with the douche bag school big band (which isn't all that advanced, we've played electric charts like north shore morning, the chicken and live and let die).

The best thing i get told to do is to play as much as I can, but that doesn't seem to be working (or at least not fast enough, considering i actually practice smarticlesly). I'm playing in 3 ensambles a week, as well as doing nightly practice and I'm not improving.

Im doing the following to keep up with my playing:
following Dave Marks on youtube, he seems to know what he's talking about. Follow his videos, watch and try to imitate his technique
scale exercises, in 3rds and 1 finger per fret exercises.
arperggios
I have a Real book at school which I use from time to time to just pick out songs, sight read them and try to play them with good articulation then attempt to solo over it.

So yes, I AM a jazz player, but doing nothing but play walking lines isn't really getting the most of the instrument.

What i'm after are books, songs to aim for, lessons on youtube, blogs, ANYTHING. I just want to find good stuff to play.

My aim?
well basically this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iy3V2Tl4g3s

I want to be able to solo on my bass with that kind of confidence and variety. Obviously playing this good is a long way off, but the way I advanced so quickly on double was aiming high and taking apart how good players played and tried to imitate that one aspect at a time. The way he articulates, his chordal work, double thumbing, double popping. I figured taking those techniques out of context and learning them would work the same way I don't know how to do any of that, and i'm really eager to start learning those things. Well, that and wooten/jaco style jazz bassness.

So yes, direct me away =] Really eager to get into some playing

edit: slapping is made incredibly difficult for me to learn. I'm on a 5 string yamaha RBX-375. So slapping is quite painful for me to learn, although it'll teach me good accuracy

it might be useful to list what i do know:
Strong knowledge of scales and chords
Fairly good knowledge of fingerboard
Strong right hand, weak left hand

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Old 06-13-2009, 05:31 PM
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Well ok, So yes, I AM a jazz player, but doing nothing but play walking lines isn't really getting the most of the instrument.
True, but rhythmic, melodic walking lines are what gets the most out of the group... Check out Eric Revis (Branford Marsalis), and his views on being happy with his role as the bassist.

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My aim?
well basically this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iy3V2Tl4g3s
Personally, I think that guy is more flash than chops (which may be why he's playing on the street and not in a club???), but to each his own. If your right hand is your stronger skill, then you should have no problem playing like that guy, since that piece he plays is more percussion (right hand) than melody.
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Personally, I think that guy is more flash than chops (which may be why he's playing on the street and not in a club???), but to each his own. If your right hand is your stronger skill, then you should have no problem playing like that guy, since that piece he plays is more percussion (right hand) than melody.
The problem i'm having though is trying to break down each individual technique and trying to build it up stronger. My teacher is out for 6 weeks, so i'm forced to hit the web or buy books in order to advance my technique. Are there any good places on the net, video tutorials or articles that cover things like chord work on bass? I know for a fact that double thumbing and popping are absolutely everywhere (havn't found any good ones on youtube though)

and yes i'm aware he's not the greatest, but still party tricks like that would be killer to have under my sleeve =]
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Old 06-13-2009, 05:57 PM
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OK, but nothing substitutes for a good teacher watching you so you don't develop bad, painful habits.

Vic Wooten's tutorial:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nq7IxvfOxTQ

Something else to shoot for (solo starts 45 seconds in):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psHRGHWZH1w

I've had a lesson with Jimmy... no book could replicate what I learned in those 3 hours.

As far as "chords" go, you should probably brush up on your theory, harmony, rhythms etc. Mark Levine's "The Jazz Theory Book" is quite good. Ed Friedland also has a series of good books. I like The Total Jazz Bassist by David Overthrow and Tim Ferguson, as well as Mastering the Bass by Bruce Gertz (Bruce is my upright bass teacher).

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Old 06-13-2009, 10:45 PM
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wow now that was a solo!
and the vic tutorial, well, no better way to learn double thumbing then from the man himself.

I suppose pieces to aim for will come in time, but thank you for those book references i'll have to try and track them down on the net
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Old 06-13-2009, 11:57 PM
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You might want to check out the links in my sig. below for some info that may help you out.

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Old 06-14-2009, 01:09 AM
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thanks so much for the help guys!
I've set myself a target.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1CLfPRMxgE
I'm going to use the mellow style of finger tapping to arrange this classic.
Hopefully when I get good at it I'll post it in youtube, but this is deffinatly what im aiming for
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