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 Tupac 08-29-2013 06:25 PM

Note worth 3.5 beats?

Is there such a thing? How is it expressed on sheet music? I want one long note and then stick one eighth note in at the end of a measure.

 Marcus Willett 08-29-2013 06:29 PM

Double dotted half note.

 Cycho 08-29-2013 06:31 PM

Or: half note tied to quarter note tied to eighth note.

 FretlessMainly 08-29-2013 06:56 PM

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 Originally Posted by Cycho (Post 14800685) Or: half note tied to quarter note tied to eighth note.
This is the proper way to do it. To properly notate in 4/4 time, you should have 2 beats notated in the first half of the measure and 2 beats notated in the second half of the measure. The exception being a whole note.

The imaginary line dividing the measure in half would bisect the tie between the half note and the quarter note.

But as we all know, music theory isn't important. :D

 Marcus Willett 08-29-2013 07:13 PM

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 Originally Posted by FretlessMainly (Post 14800779) This is the proper way to do it. To properly notate in 4/4 time, you should have 2 beats notated in the first half of the measure and 2 beats notated in the second half of the measure. The exception being a whole note
True, although he did ask for a note. ;)

Really, each beat should be clearly visible, although charts are often not written that way. I can't count how many times I've seen an eighth followed by three quarters with a final eighth. It functions, but you can't see any of the beats besides beat 1 that way, but it's extremely common.

 FretlessMainly 08-29-2013 07:26 PM

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 Originally Posted by Marcus Willett (Post 14800835) True, although he did ask for a note. ;)
Fair enough, but I would consider a half note tied to a quarter note and an eighth note (all of the same pitch, of course) to be one note of duration 3.5 beats.

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 Originally Posted by Marcus Willett (Post 14800835) It functions, but you can't see any of the beats besides beat 1 that way, but it's extremely common.
Doing it improperly becomes common because people tend to do what's most simple rather than taking the time to understand that seeing the beats, as you mention, makes a difference, and using a uniform notational style makes reading music easier because your eyes become used to what you see and associate it with the rhythms you've been hearing when reading a passage of music. Next thing you know, you get people calling a double-stop a chord, and all of the years of developing a lexicon and a unified means of notation goes out the window.

Now everybody get off my lawn!

 Marcus Willett 08-29-2013 07:33 PM

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 Originally Posted by FretlessMainly (Post 14800882) Doing it improperly becomes common because people tend to do what's most simple rather than taking the time...
We could just put a period there, and the number of instances in life it would apply to would be staggering. :D

 bigboy_78 08-29-2013 07:54 PM

Why not a dotted half not tied to a eighth? I think I’ve got that right, I always get my halfs mixed up, is it half a note or half a bar, anyway a dotted minim tied to a quaver.

I know you said 2 beats on each half of the bar, but a dotted minim (3 beats) isn’t an uncommon site.

 Clef_de_fa 08-29-2013 07:58 PM

You can either :

Tied an halfnote with a quater with a 8th

-or-

Tied an halfnote with a doted quater

-or-

A doted half note ... but that one I never saw it in a 4/4 beat, I see it more in 3/2

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