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Originally Posted by Kaneesel start simple. most scales are played exactly the same anywhere on the neck. learn to recognize what minor scales would look like if they were dots on the frets for one place. If you dont know the actual letter names of each fret, learn that first....
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That is the big hole players fall into. They learn patterns and where the root note is so they can slide rule all over so they sound like a scale anywhere on the neck. All they know is this bunch of notes should work, or is asked to play scale X the can run it up and down. Ask them where the chord tones are in the pattern, where are the color tones. You get the trout look. Also ask them to play the same scale X up two or three frets and they are lost, because the note don't fit the pattern any more. So they end up learn a handful of patterns to try can cover all situation.
That is why I got into that teaching major scale on one string and then two. After that process a student understands scale construction and see scales as the pieces they can play a scale anywhere on as many or as few strings as needed also extend to multiple octaves or length of the instrument.
If someone is going use patterns at least learn the arpeggios notes that lie within the pattern. Don't just learn these dots go together.