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Old 07-27-2009, 04:02 PM
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Hey, So I've been studying walking jazz bass lines for about 2 months and I know I would greatly benefit from listening and playing something by ear but I don't even know where to start. Any suggestions on what recordings to start with? I usually can kind of listen to rock then figure it out by ear but i struggle with it alot. Jazz walking bass lines just seems like a wall to even try and listen to transpose (is that the right term?). any tips, pointers, or advice? anything is appreciated.

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Term you're looking for is transcribe, not transpose (unless you want to play it on something besides bass).

The best thing to do is to just start doing it. If you can't read or write music, obviously you should start learning that. Listen to more jazz, and keep listening. Find a jazz bass teacher to help you along.
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Old 07-27-2009, 04:39 PM
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I beleve you mean transcribe - transpose means to play what is written in a different key.

I suggest reading the following thread on how walking bass lines work then coming back with any questions:

http://www.talkbass.com/forum/showth...t=#post7573668
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Old 07-27-2009, 04:50 PM
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Start out with some cool jazz, the lines are usually easy to hear and follow, plus the songs rock.

Miles Davis (pre-Bitches Brew) and Coltrane are two good places to start.
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Old 07-27-2009, 07:26 PM
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Start out with some cool jazz, the lines are usually easy to hear and follow, plus the songs rock.

Miles Davis (pre-Bitches Brew) and Coltrane are two good places to start.
Coltrane isn't exactly beginners stuff, usually. It's great music from a great artist though.

I'd second Miles as Paul Chambers (So What might be a cliche sort of, but I love that song) and Ron Carter are fantastic. I'd also reccomend Ray Brown to learn from as many call him the best (with reason).

Ron Carter has a bass book where you can listen to his lines on the CD it comes with. You could try picking-up those as it's easy to hear if that's what you want to do.

I'm also gonna reccomend learning to read. It's easy on bass as everything is tuned in fourths. Learn that theory too.
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Old 07-27-2009, 09:09 PM
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There are a couple of things going on, both of which are helped by doing some serious ear training. First, sure, listen to the music to get a sense of how the language sounds. And transcribe folks whose playing you like, whose playing reaches you on an emotional level. You want to speak French, you gotta hear how it sounds when French people speak it.
But at some point you want to say what YOU want to say, not repeat what you heard other people say in a similar situation. YOUR ideas, YOUR voice.

Which means that all of those symbols on a piece of paper need to mean something to you, aurally. And, over and above that, you need to be able to HEAR what the sounds the other musicians are making mean. This music is like a conversation; the harmony (chords) of any given composition are a loose framework with which you get to superimpose whatever internal melody you are hearing.As long as you can hear it clearly enough that you know what notes you re hearing and how to get them out into the air on your instrument. And you can do that with whatever level of vocabulary you have at your disposal right now. Sure, if all you can say in French is "Look, what a pretty cat." then your opportunity for extended conversation is gonna be limited. But you can SAY something with actual meaning and intent, that other French speakers can respond to and interact with meaning. As opposed to just learning a bunch of French words and cramming them in everywhere -"banana dam mongoose terwilliger mahout" don't mean ****.

At the risk of offensive self promotion, I gotta book that deals with learning some ways to learn to HEAR notes choices that propel the harmony forward in a walking line, it's called WALKING BASSICS:The Fundamentals of Jazz Bass Playing, some folks have had nice things to say about it. There's also a thread I started called REALLY Learning a Tune that is an exercise I got from teacher (who got it from his teacher, Lennie Tristano) that I've found very helpful in getting your EAR involved in the note choice decision.
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Old 07-27-2009, 09:25 PM
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Paul chambers with Miles Davis, Scott La Faro, Stanley Clarke with Return to Forever. Gary Willis has a sight reading exercise on his website, garywillis.com, He also has a book with finger positions for ear training where you play in all the keys.
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Old 07-27-2009, 11:50 PM
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thanks guys, yes i knew that was the wrong word i was just having a brain fart at that moment. about 20 minutes after i started this i realized it was transcribe. durr...

yes i can read music, i struggle with reading something with lots of syncopation, something i should probably focus on considering its jazz im interested in. hmmm maybe ill just pick up my kind of blue album and see what i can glean from that. man paul chambers is so amazing though.

any other thoughts?
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