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Old 06-11-2010, 07:29 PM
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Hello, I'm new here. Ive been playin bass for about 2 years now. I am just now getting into scales and chords, to try and progress my playing and mix stuff up a bit. My neighbor taught me a few scales to mess around with. Im wondering if there is anyone who can tab out basic chords or give me some advice and information. Anything would be helpful. Also, I am not fully versed on all the terms used. Thank you.
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read the faqs at the top of the topic page or google scales and chords for bass.
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Old 06-11-2010, 08:08 PM
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where did I put that canned response? oh yeah, here it its...
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I'd say the logical progression learning music theory is this:

1.) Learn the major scale, and how it's constructed
2.) Learn how basic chords are built from the major scale- e.g Major is 1,3,5, minor is 1,b3, 5, etc.
3.) Learn how to harmonize the notes of any diatonic major scale by building chords / stacking thirds.
4.) Learn arppegios/chord tones
5.) Learn to look at common chord progressions as "numerals" (eg, I-IV-V ect) to understand how the chords relate to the song's key.
6.) Learn the Natural Minor scale (a/k/a Aeolian mode) and the dominant scale (a/k/a Mixolydian); And learn how these relate to the major scale (i.e.; its the V and vi mode)
7.) Understand how other 4 modes of the major scale are derived (less important to memorize these other modes at first)
8.) Dive back into modes for more detailed ideas about what "goes" with what chord.

And to expand on the first two points above...

I. Do you know the major scale- that is-
A. You know the whole-step and half-step formula for making a major scale
B. You know how to figure out the notes in any major key, using the correct enharmonics
C. You know what it sounds like- you know what the next note will sound like before you play it
D. You can find it and play it over two octaves ascending and descending in any key

II. Do you know how to build the basic chords- that is, you KNOW
A. A major chord is 1 3 5
B. A minor chord is 1 b3 5
C. A 7th chord is 1 3 5 b7
D. A minor 7 is 1 b3 5 b7
E. A major 7 is 1 3 5 7
F. A diminished chord is 1 b3 b5 bb7 (and you understand why it's called the bb7, not the 6)
G. An augmented chord is 1 3 #5

III. You understand and know the chords that come from the scale when you harmonize it- that is you KNOW not only that the chords are:
I Maj7
ii min7
iii min7
IV Maj 7
V 7
vi min7
vii min7 b5 (or half-diminished)
BUT, you know WHY!!!

IV. You can work out how to play the arpeggio over two octaves ascending and descending the chords in any key. You don't have to memorize them (heck, I hate memorization), but you can figure them out and they make sense.

V. You know how a ii V I defines a key center


Bass playing is basically a matter of knowing what to play over various chords. It may seem daunting at first, but my practical experience (bass in pop/rock) has been that I mostly use Major, Minor, and Dominant 7 related bassline patterns, usually based on chord tones and pentatonics. Even if you're playing some guitar oriented riff-rock, each riff is going to imply a chord of some kind.

"BUT HOW DO I APPLY THIS THEORY TO MY PLAYING?"
85%+ of the time, you will be going from root note to root note as the chords change. The trick is learning how to do it with a groove and feel that is stylistically appropriate to the song. The best way to reach stylistic understanding is to learn songs you like and pick them apart to see how the bassline relates to the chords. I cannot emphasize this idea enough: The answer to this common question is to LEARN AND ANALYZE BASS LINES BY THE MASTERS. Once you undertand what Jamerson (for example) did with a particular set of changes, these ideas become added to your tool set, to use, change, blend and create your own voice.
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Old 06-11-2010, 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Stinger92193 View Post
Hello, I'm new here. Ive been playin bass for about 2 years now. I am just now getting into scales and chords, to try and progress my playing and mix stuff up a bit. My neighbor taught me a few scales to mess around with. Im wondering if there is anyone who can tab out basic chords or give me some advice and information. Anything would be helpful. Also, I am not fully versed on all the terms used. Thank you.
www.studybass.com Start on page # 1.
http://www.smithfowler.org/music/Chord_Formulas.htm Tabs are a No No Place your scale pattern and play the 1-3-5-3 for a major chord (in 4/4 time, i.e. 4 beats to the measure so 4 notes) and 1-b3-5-b3 for a minor chord and 1-3-5-b7 for a dominant seventh.
http://www.cyberfretbass.com/scales/basic/page2.php Place the red root note on the scale name. 4th string 3rd fret and you have the G scale waiting on you. Those numbers are your fingers, i.e. 1= index, etc.
http://www.guitarhangout.com/wp-cont...itar-notes.jpg Just in case you need it. Playing in the key of C place your major scale pattern at the 3 string 3rd fret. Where is C? Where is F? Where is G? Isn't that neat.
http://www.looknohands.com/chordhous.../index_rb.html A chord and scale generator. Tab is a NO NO. Figure it out.
http://www.woodwind.org/clarinet/Stu...les/index.html Scroll down for the scale notes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUK5pE5x_6A See what you can do. Plenty of stuff on the right hand side of the screen.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4x0u...eature=related Put this on your homework stack. Use the sites above to get the chord spelling. Two chords in one measure - The measure is 4 beats so R-5 for both chords is all the space you have. Perhaps R-3 for one and R-5 for the second, whatever.

Ask specific questions.

Have fun.

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Old 06-11-2010, 08:17 PM
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try this: http://www.studybass.com/lessons/bass-scales/

but I'd suggest starting here: http://www.studybass.com/study-guide/

If you've been playing for two years and are just now learning scales and chords, chances are (and I don't mean this in a condescending way at all) you've probably developed some bad habits that need to be broken. Start from the beginning and unlearn. And find a good teacher to help you.
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