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View Poll Results: Let's all learn from the same book, .... but which book? | |
Hal Leonard Bass Method - Complete Edition: Books 1, 2 and 3 Bound Together - Ed Friedland
|    | 26 | 33.33% | |
Building Walking Basslines - Ed Freidland
|    | 30 | 38.46% | |
The Improvisor's Bass Method: For Electric & Acoustic Bass - Chuck Sher
|    | 11 | 14.10% | |
The Blues Scales:Essential Tools for Jazz Improvisation - Dan Greenblatt.
|    | 0 | 0% | |
Walking Bassics - Ed Fuqua.
|    | 0 | 0% | |
Blues Bass - A guide to the essential styles. - Ed Fredland.
|    | 0 | 0% | |
The evolving bassist - Rufus Reid
| | 7 | 8.97% | |
The complete electric bass lines Volume 1 - Carol Kaye
| | 0 | 0% | |
Concepts for Bass Soloing - Chuck Sher
| | 2 | 2.56% | |
Bass fitness excercising Handbook - Josquin des Pres
| | 0 | 0% | |
Musicianship for the Contemporary Bassist - Tracy Walton.
| | 2 | 2.56% |
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06-19-2010, 01:13 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Hatfield, Herts, UK | | | Damn. The poll auto closes too early. How do I edit that??? |
06-19-2010, 06:19 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: May 2006 Location: buenos aires, argentina | | pbassred,
you missed fingertap's last minute proposal, freebassmanual:
I have no idea how the content of this books compares to the other ones, but at least for me it would be a great option since it is freely available in the internet, and I wouldn't have to buy any book or wait for delivery, which might take a while to argentina. With this one we could start right away...
Though studying one of Ed's books with Ed himself sounds like a great expierence and something I would never be able to do without talkbass.
I have been less active on the TB forums recently, due to serious full-time study, practice, and an increasingly heavier (summer) playing schedule. I just looked at this thread with interest. I have located and am using an excellent series of books (seven books, ~100-150+ pages each, plus an excellent appendix with useful diagrams), freely available online at:
http://www.freebassmanual.com/freebassmanual_002.htm
To wit:
Book 1: Major Keys
Book 2: Natural Minor Keys
Book 3: Harmonic Minor Keys
Book 4: Melodic Minor Keys
Book 5: Chords
Book 6: Modes
Book 7: Pentatonic
Appendix
by the way, amazon links are not working for me right now...
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06-19-2010, 06:33 AM
|  | Registered User | | Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: New Jersey | | I've played through a few of those books. Chuck Sher's book is great---as is Rufus Reid's. Bass Fitness Excersises isn't really a method book. It's good to get your fingers moving and stretching, but it's not something that takes the bassist through the natural progression of learning the instrument. Also Concepts for Bass soloing is a great book, but it deals with the 'concept' of bass, not really the mechanics.
I would also recommend the Simandl method, but adapt it to electric bass. http://www.lemurmusic.com/Simandl-Ne...uctinfo/CFE01/ (Get the red version with the Japanese and English text. I think that is the best one.)
If the goal is to progress in an ever increasing fashion, then you would want to look at method books more than concept books, IMO.
My $.02. Hope it helped. |
06-19-2010, 07:49 AM
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06-19-2010, 12:39 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: King of Prussia, PA | | | voted. So, voting closes on Sunday. I assume we'll need two weeks to allow books to be shipped since it sounds like there will be international participation. We'll get started in the middle of July then? I guess I'll need to bring a bass on vacation. =D
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06-20-2010, 12:33 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Hatfield, Herts, UK | | | On the subject of the freebass manual, there are 2 reasons why I didn't include it.
1/ It was suggested after I made the list of nominated books. We had to have a cut-off time and there were calls to get to the vote as soon as possible.
2/ The book does not cover the aims of our study. Its just a list of keys. It has no CD or notation exercises. It is full of useful knowledge but no study. |
06-20-2010, 06:32 AM
|  | Registered User | | Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: NJ | | | I'm just finishing up the Hal Leonard Bass Method - Complete Edition. I've been lurking on these threads a bit, and am interested in going along for the ride.
I was considering Building Walking Basslines as my next book anyway since I thoroughly enjoyed Ed Friedland's Bass Method (except for tabs/slapping/popping, which I skipped). |
06-20-2010, 09:37 AM
|  | Registered User | | Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Austin, TX | | Quote:
Originally Posted by jmorbita  pbassred,
.... but at least for me it would be a great option since it is freely available in the internet, and I wouldn't have to buy any book or wait for delivery, which might take a while to argentina. | I can't tell you how much this bothers me. Yes, unfortunately some people have no problem pirating my work (I'm not alone) and putting it online for free. I can't stop people from downloading it, but you might as well just steal the money right out of my bank account. I understand that it might be harder to get my books in some parts of the world, but... TFB. Does that make it okay to steal? Don't get me started on this, I may go Berlin on y'all...
Okay, rant over. If you choose to work through my book, I'll be honored, but I just hope that everyone has the decency to actually purchase it. It would be a real "f-you" for someone to be using a pirated copy and then ask me for advice here on TB. If you ARE using a pirated copy, of course I have no way of knowing, but YOU will know, and I can at least hope you feel guilty about stealing from me. |
06-20-2010, 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted by edfriedland ...Okay, rant over. If you choose to work through my book, I'll be honored, but I just hope that everyone has the decency to actually purchase it. It would be a real "f-you" for someone to be using a pirated copy and then ask me for advice here on TB. If you ARE using a pirated copy, of course I have no way of knowing, but YOU will know, and I can at least hope you feel guilty about stealing from me. | +1. Or actually +100. Copying a page or an exercise from a book that otherwise doesn't contain useful (read: new) material for a student shouldn't be a problem, but copying an entire method book, especially books like the Hal Leonard bass method mentioned here, can't be tolerated in a world and era where you can buy about everything everywhere thanks to the Internet, if not personally, then through a retailer, and with a really good quality-price relation. And there's also the second hand market. Unfortunately, arrogant behaviour of some publishers (I remember from my childhood, when studying saxophone, the French publisher Leduc, infamous for the astronomical prices for solo parts consisting of a posh cover and two pages of music) in the past has pushed some people to systematical copying of parts and books, and it's hard to convince such people of there being affordable books. 
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06-20-2010, 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by edfriedland I can't tell you how much this bothers me. Yes, unfortunately some people have no problem pirating my work (I'm not alone) and putting it online for free. I can't stop people from downloading it, but you might as well just steal the money right out of my bank account. I understand that it might be harder to get my books in some parts of the world, but... TFB. Does that make it okay to steal? Don't get me started on this, I may go Berlin on y'all...
Okay, rant over. If you choose to work through my book, I'll be honored, but I just hope that everyone has the decency to actually purchase it. It would be a real "f-you" for someone to be using a pirated copy and then ask me for advice here on TB. If you ARE using a pirated copy, of course I have no way of knowing, but YOU will know, and I can at least hope you feel guilty about stealing from me. | I'm pretty good at downloading and i couldn't find your book. If you search it, you get spam web sites. Site's that just auto plug-in your details and what-not. If you try to download one yourself, you'll see. You'll also get malware, viruses, etc. |
06-20-2010, 10:18 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Dallas, TX. | | | I believe he was refering to the the Freebass manual that was posted at the end of the last thread, as it is free to download online.
On the note of international shipping...is there anywhere you know of Ed to purchase a PDF or ebook copy of your books? this might make it easier for some people to get the book in a timely manner.
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06-20-2010, 10:28 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Hatfield, Herts, UK | | Chill Ed (wow! I get to tell Ed Friedland to chill  )
I don't think anyone suggested piracy. Jmorbita pointed out Fingertap's post about the "Freebassmanual". Which is both freely available and apparently no cost. - Its also no use at all.
Bass players pay for their music in terms of instruments and rehearsal fees. They also get least in terms of remuneration, recognition and endorsement deals. I don't think anyone would support dumping on one of their own.
While you're around, are any of your nominated books spiral bound? |
06-20-2010, 10:51 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: May 2010 Location: Ontario, Canada | | | The only time copying is "ok" is if you're taking lessons and your teacher wants you to practice a specific thing from a book. Then he can photocopy it or re-write out the parts by hand. While possibly still illegal, at least it's morally/ethically sound.
If my old drum teacher required that I bought every book he used examples from I would have spent roughly $600 during the 2 years I spent with him. |
06-20-2010, 11:36 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: MD | | Quote:
Originally Posted by edfriedland I can't tell you how much this bothers me. Yes, unfortunately some people have no problem pirating my work (I'm not alone) and putting it online for free. I can't stop people from downloading it, but you might as well just steal the money right out of my bank account. I understand that it might be harder to get my books in some parts of the world, but... TFB. Does that make it okay to steal? Don't get me started on this, I may go Berlin on y'all...
Okay, rant over. If you choose to work through my book, I'll be honored, but I just hope that everyone has the decency to actually purchase it. It would be a real "f-you" for someone to be using a pirated copy and then ask me for advice here on TB. If you ARE using a pirated copy, of course I have no way of knowing, but YOU will know, and I can at least hope you feel guilty about stealing from me. | I am totally 100 percent behind you Ed. Any sort of rationalization for media piracy falls way short, and I am so glad to see you here laying down the law.
But that's not what jmorbita was saying (thankfully). There's a free book out (legally) on the internet called the Freebassmanual. He just was looking for the easiest way to encourage international participation.
I voted for Ed's building walking basslines book. That's one of the books I use when teaching walking lines to students, and it's worked out beautifully so far.
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06-20-2010, 11:43 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Austin, TX | | Quote:
Originally Posted by Pbassred Chill Ed (wow! I get to tell Ed Friedland to chill )
I don't think anyone suggested piracy. Jmorbita pointed out Fingertap's post about the "Freebassmanual". Which is both freely available and apparently no cost. - Its also no use at all.
Bass players pay for their music in terms of instruments and rehearsal fees. They also get least in terms of remuneration, recognition and endorsement deals. I don't think anyone would support dumping on one of their own.
While you're around, are any of your nominated books spiral bound? |
Yeah, I'm chillin'. I have not tried to download any of my books for free to see how easy it is, but I do get google alerts almost daily about various sites (I'm NOT telling!) that offer full downloads with audio of several titles of mine. If these sites infect people with malware, etc. - I'm fine with that!
Anyway, I am very sensitive about this subject because essentially my royalty income is what allows me to live this lavish lifestyle  But seriously, my book income is my base, and I get very protective about that. I've been aware of this issue for a while, and I was fighting it myself by getting sites to take down files, but over time, they have stopped responding to my requests. They feel the need to protect their "clients" privacy is more important than following copyright laws, or simply not being scum-sucking assholes.
I do believe that bass players, perhaps more than other instrumentalists have a sense of community and respect for each other, but... there are many people out there that don't feel that way. There is always someone ready to take advantage of a situation and find ways to rationalize it. The downside of human nature I guess.
Anyway... enough of that.
To answer some other questions - The only book that comes spiral bound is the Hal Leonard Method compilation books 1-3. I have been told that some of my books are available from Amazon in Kindle format, but without audio... which makes no sense to me.
Regardless, if my book gets selected, I will make a point of stopping in to answer questions, but I will need to keep that manageable. I will request that any questions be posed within the thread, and not in private emails. |
06-20-2010, 01:25 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Barcelona | | Looks like "Building walking bass lines" is winning.
It's also available from amazon.co.uk, which ships faster to continental Europe than amazon.com
It would only take a week or so to get it for those who live here. http://www.amazon.co.uk/Building-Wal...7061697&sr=1-1
Amazon.de sells it too: http://www.amazon.de/Building-Walkin...7062008&sr=8-1
We have no excuse to get it home fast now
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06-20-2010, 01:34 PM
| | | I would go with building walking bass lines (already own it )
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06-20-2010, 01:51 PM
|  | Registered User | | Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: North of Seattle | | Quote:
Originally Posted by Pbassred Chill Ed (wow! I get to tell Ed Friedland to chill )
I don't think anyone suggested piracy. Jmorbita pointed out Fingertap's post about the "Freebassmanual". | +1
Yeah... I don't think he or anyone was talking about stealing your (Ed) books. How I read it was that he will have a hard time getting one of your books, so he wanted to vote on something that wasn't being offered in the voting. Which isn't anyones book actually...
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