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Old 09-21-2010, 03:20 AM
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Hi guys, I was wondering how everyone structures their practice time. I've been starting with some basic exercises like the 1234 and spider, going to scales, then just jamming along with songs on Winamp. What would be a good rule of thumb as far as time to put in for each? Should I put in more time on one than another or equal times for each?

Also, any good exercises for improving my right hand? I've been trying to work on alternate plucking, but I can't keep it strictly 1-2, 1-2--my finger just go back to doing their own thing. Is this just something to methodically practice slowly until the fingers do what I tell them or is there some tricks I can use to speed up the process? Thanks.
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Others will be able to comment on materials better than I. However a couple of things I think you should think about:

1. What are you trying to achieve? What are your goals? What music/techniques etc do you need to learn?

If you know the answer to these you will be far more motivated. You'll know that you're not just doing stuff for the sake of it and that you have real purpose.

2. Don't measure your practice by time.

If you aim for 30 minutes the chances are you'll achieve just that and no more. Aim instead for learning 2 new lines of music, increasing the tempo to 120 bpm, mastering a new scale, transcribing a tune etc. Do this and you'll know that you got something done every time you practice.


You may well need to do scales, exercises etc but make sure for the right reasons in the right way - not because some other Joe does it.

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Old 09-21-2010, 11:01 AM
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It's a good sign that you're thinking about how to structure your practice time. A lot of people waste time just noodling without any specific goals or regimen in mind. I've written an essay on this topic on my site that might help:

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As for plucking hand alternation, I've found the open string exercises in Rufus Reid's book to be very helpful. Good luck!
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Old 09-22-2010, 03:30 AM
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Well, I want to play songs, obviously, from country to rock to reggae, but I need to get a good foundation in scales and chord progressions, etc. to be able to improvise as well, and to know my way around the fretboard. I'm trying to get my head around modes and what to play when, etc., so that's why I'm working on scales and finger exercises. It's all a little intimidating at times, but I'm trying to focus on little chunks at a time and keep pecking away at it.
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Old 09-22-2010, 03:35 AM
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General warmup
Time exercises
Simandl
Work on the weeks chosen standard
ear training
piano for about 20 minutes.

the whole thing takes about 4 hours.
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Old 09-22-2010, 04:46 AM
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One point of frustration for people is knowing how to work on things you don't know. This is where a good lesson teacher comes in. You may not need (or can afford) regular lessons, so try to get one in every 6 months or so. Check out the teachers technique, show them what you can do, have them plan a long term strategy for you. Check out some books. Ed Friedland book are all great. Do a search here for books other players have learned from.

If (when) you find yourself without a plan for your practice, you need some information input.
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Old 09-22-2010, 09:37 AM
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When i decide to take bass more seriously, i think my practice regime will be something like this

1-Hour Straight warmup (E1234-A1234-D1234-G1234-G4321-D4321-A4321-E4321)
15 mins target practice
15-30mins speed practice
60-120 mins music theory practice
60 mins improv

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A practice regime should be split into short modules of about 20-30 mins.
To warm up it needs a consistent structure at the start for 5-10 mins. (this is part of any module)

Short modules give the hands and mind a rest. There are few situations where any one is required to play for long periods of time, yet this seems to be how players think they have to practice.

Let me say mis-use and over use are the main cause of injury

A warm up should have some gentle stretches and massage, the two links below are examples of ideas you can combine into a single routine for yourself.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0o7u7...ext=1&index=71

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbI0cyNDlW4

Then move to the next part of the warm up, remember all this takes no real time.
For me ( and this is mine, i have been playing for over 37 years and have no problems in mine) I would never recommend this to a newbe or someone with hand issues. I start on the 12th fret and play a major and a minor scale alternating from the E and A string and every other fret all the way down the neck.
This gives me a repetitive shape, the stretch gets a little more as i continue, i must use my all my finger correct in the fretting hand to do it competently.
The reality of this exercise is i go down all the frets without markers.
The i repeat starting on the 11th fret. Again the reality is i go down all the frets with markers.
Each set on the open strings and 1st fret require different fingerings from the consistent fingerings of the rest of the exercise.
Now because i know this routine inside out and have done it for so long, if i have any problems, twinges, pain, tiredness etc then i know something is wrong with my hands. Then what i will do is more massage and stretches and try again. I will not practice if problem persist. I rest and then try again tomorrow.

Hands need to be fresh and healthy to get the best out of any practice, the same applies to the mind. practising when tired is a poor use of time and in reality is pointless so do not do it.

The rest of any practice time is about learning new ideas and pushing the boundaries of my playing, not about practising what i already know. I very seldom go over old ground of things i have learned, i always try and work on new things.
Most blocks or ruts happen because a player will not learn new things, they stick to what they know, what is familiar, because this is a secure safe feeling, so the habit of learning stops and the habit of practising for practice sake becomes dominant. In this situation you need another to get you out of it, you need someone to change your thinking.....that will change your playing. You are what you think you are because you play what you think.

If it means just doing the warm up rather than a full module then so be it. Read books, transcribe, sight read, use your time to work on other aspects of you playing if you cannot physically play. Bass playing flows between the physical and the mental all the time. Some day it is all physical, no matter what you do you struggle to cope, and other days you can play freely but struggle to apply it with any real application to your playing in a way that is constructive to your playing life.

For me the warm up if repetitive will tell you more about your ability to practise so that is always a must. The use the stretches and massage to warm down when finished. Repeat these modules as and when you need them during a day but avoid long practise session they will tire you out and remember
mis-use and over use causes injuries.
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Old 09-23-2010, 06:20 PM
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When i decide to take bass more seriously, i think my practice regime will be something like this

1-Hour Straight warmup (E1234-A1234-D1234-G1234-G4321-D4321-A4321-E4321)
15 mins target practice
15-30mins speed practice
60-120 mins music theory practice
60 mins improv
#1: What would that achieve?
#2: What is target practice?
#3: Ok
#4: I would consider reading theory whenever you aren't playing bass.
#5: Can you do it with other musicians instead?
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#1 Getting my arms/hands in shape to play. My friend, an accomplished bassist, told me this is how Jaco practiced. I'll try to find a better citation if anyone cares.
#2 It's a feeler exercise to learn the fretboard. I read about it in Electric Bass Guitar.
#3 Word
#4 Cannot hurt
#5 Ya, why not both?

Like i said though, i haven't stepped up taking bass seriously. I'm still trying to get a hold of the extreme basics of music theory...

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Short modules give the hands and mind a rest. There are few situations where any one is required to play for long periods of time, yet this seems to be how players think they have to practice.

Let me say mis-use and over use are the main cause of injury
It's important to note, you're talking about technique, not practicing itself.

And it's not that i've convinced myself this is how i have to practice, it's how i want to practice.
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Old 09-24-2010, 02:14 AM
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Well, there's no way I can put in four hours a day- I'm lucky to have a spare hour most days. I do what I can though...
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Old 09-24-2010, 04:02 AM
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#1 Getting my arms/hands in shape to play. My friend, an accomplished bassist, told me this is how Jaco practiced. I'll try to find a better citation if anyone cares.
#2 It's a feeler exercise to learn the fretboard. I read about it in Electric Bass Guitar.
#3 Word
#4 Cannot hurt
#5 Ya, why not both?

Like i said though, i haven't stepped up taking bass seriously. I'm still trying to get a hold of the extreme basics of music theory...



It's important to note, you're talking about technique, not practicing itself.

And it's not that i've convinced myself this is how i have to practice, it's how i want to practice.
No i am talking about technique but about practice.
Technique does come into and is a part of practice, but i am talking about practice in general.

I note in no.1 you say,
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My friend, an accomplished bassist, told me this is how Jaco practiced. I'll try to find a better citation if anyone cares.
Well Jaco was a one off bassist of his time, and anyone doing exactly what Jaco done does not mean the results will be the same. Jaco died aged 36 so it cannot be commented on how good his technique was for his long term health, and we cannot talk to a 59 year old Jaco today to find out if he has changed anything or if he would have done anything early in his life different.

The fact of a good practice regime is it is structured for the individual doing it to fit in with their needs, to develop them. In truth that needs a teacher and a commitment to play the instrument every day. 5 mins a day every day is better than not playing during the week, then practising for hours on end at the weekend.
Yes 5 mins a day will make a difference if structured, and that is the point of practice to ultimately improve... not get good at your practice, but to learn new things from it.
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