Transposing key for trumpet?? - Page 2

**Pacman** · #21 06-12-2003, 08:41 AM

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Originally posted by Richard Lindsey

Well, it happens, but IME it's not terribly common to play the whole family.

I can tell you that we require sax players to play the whole family, as do all the service bands. It's pretty obvious, though, that some guys play one horn better than the other. I had a guy in my quartet who was really working his tenor chops, but everytime he picked up his alto it was like "yeah, that's your horn!"

Richard Lindsey · #22 06-12-2003, 09:00 AM

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Originally posted by Pacman

I can tell you that we require sax players to play the whole family, as do all the service bands. It's pretty obvious, though, that some guys play one horn better than the other. I had a guy in my quartet who was really working his tenor chops, but everytime he picked up his alto it was like "yeah, that's your horn!"

Yeah, I know what you mean. I've worked with people who could play bari to soprano, and pretty well too, but I can't think of one who I thought sounded like *every* horn was his or her horn. Such folks must exist, I guess, but I haven't run across them.

NJL · #23 06-12-2003, 09:03 AM

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Originally posted by Pacman

I can tell you that we require sax players to play the whole family, as do all the service bands. It's pretty obvious, though, that some guys play one horn better than the other. I had a guy in my quartet who was really working his tenor chops, but everytime he picked up his alto it was like "yeah, that's your horn!"

i have also played with a lot of sax players, but most of them when they pick up a sax you think,
"yeah, that's not your horn, either!"

san antonio - there's no place like it

**Pacman** · #24 06-12-2003, 09:22 AM

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Originally posted by nojazzloco

i have also played with a lot of sax players, but most of them when they pick up a sax you think,
"yeah, that's not your horn, either!"

san antonio - there's no place like it

Thanks, man! I got a great laugh out of that.

Did you ever work with Jim Butler?

mcbassdude · #25 06-12-2003, 09:25 AM

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Originally posted by moley

I think the key here, is to think of the music in terms of scale degrees. Don't think of the tune as being C D E, think of it as being 1 2 3. Don't think of Summertime as E C E D C D E C A E E C D D C A C A C B. Think of it as 5 3 5 4 3 4 5 3 1 5 5 3 4 4 3 1 3 1 3 2.

That way, when the singer says she wants to do it in C# minor, as long as you're familiar with the key, you're ok.

One good reason to practice everything in all keys.

Yes Yes, this was a stumbling block for me years ago. I always dreaded a key change for a singer. Then I started to think of the intervals, the fifth, fourth, third, etc. Really makes changing the keys fairly brainless.
It's kinda like giving directions, rather than say left or right you say east west and it's always the same. Did that make sense?
My old bass instructor really stressed playing the scales everywhere on the neck. Play it on one string, two strings three strings, etc. from the bottom to the top. It was real easy at the beggining to fall into the geometrical pattern and not pay attention to what the intervals were.

Which brings up this question, is there more than one fingering for a scale on trumpet as on a bass where you can play the same notes at different fret positions? Octaves are done with embouchure yes?
Again Wulf, and the others thank you for the lesson! I want to get my boy playing some fun stuff, not just twinkle twinkle. I wish music teachers would start kids off with a simple motown or stax tune instead of these ancient nursery tunes. Gonna have him playing "Midnight Hour" b4 too long!
PEace

moley · #26 06-12-2003, 09:43 AM

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Originally posted by mcbassdude
Which brings up this question, is there more than one fingering for a scale on trumpet as on a bass where you can play the same notes at different fret positions?

Yes, there are alternate fingerings. However, unlike bass, the alternate fingerings have the disandvantage of being less in tune than the standard ones.

Octaves are done with embouchure yes?

Yes. But not just octaves

Embrouchure is a big part of the trumpet. There are only seven fingerings used (not counting alternative fingerings), and from this, you gotta get all the notes.

For example, with open fingering (no valves down), you can get the following notes:

C G C E G Bb C

And then it carries on, higher, they get closer together and more out of tune.

However all those notes have the same fingering - the only thing determining which one comes out is embrouchure.

Howard K · #27 06-12-2003, 09:53 AM

moley, i gotta ask.. how do you know all this stuff man?!

for other Tb'ers, i went to a covers gig of moleys band recently, it was a great gig - a fantastic band.
this moley chap is so young, yet has so much knowledge!!! he puts me to shame!

moley · #28 06-12-2003, 11:28 AM

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Originally posted by Howard K
moley, i gotta ask.. how do you know all this stuff man?!

Well, I know the trumpet stuff 'cause I play the trumpet

for other Tb'ers, i went to a covers gig of moleys band recently, it was a great gig - a fantastic band.
this moley chap is so young, yet has so much knowledge!!! he puts me to shame!

You're too kind Howard

ConU · #29 06-12-2003, 11:45 AM

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Originally posted by wulf
Neat... until they decide to pick up a piano and vocals arrangement book, sit down to blow through the changes with a pianist and then realise they have to transpose everything at sight!

It's considered "professional" to provide horn players with transposed charts,but in the real world they're expected to read concert pitch.The overwhelming majority I've met do,and well.(show-offs

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Howard K · #30 06-13-2003, 02:28 AM

you play trumpet as well!!!

My fiancé (...such a tacky word!) wants to learn saxamaphone, I've said I'll pay for half her lessons if she teaches me everything she learns... that way she gets to reinforce the content of her lessons and I get to pick up some basic sax

I think I might be looking forward to it more than she is!

So that's piano, fretless bass, trumpet... what else may be lurking in the depths of your repatoire I wonder?

accordion, lute, banjo?

You need to share some of your solo work me thinks!

moley · #31 06-13-2003, 02:39 AM

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Originally posted by Howard K
you play trumpet as well!!!

Yup! Haven't I mentioned that to you before?

My fiancé (...such a tacky word!) wants to learn saxamaphone, I've said I'll pay for half her lessons if she teaches me everything she learns... that way she gets to reinforce the content of her lessons and I get to pick up some basic sax I think I might be looking forward to it more than she is!

So that's piano, fretless bass, trumpet... what else may be lurking in the depths of your repatoire I wonder?

Guitar, a little sax (I mess around), and of course vocals.

accordion, lute, banjo?

Heh, I've played a little banjo in the past, but I don't intend to again

You need to share some of your solo work me thinks!

All in good time...

Howard K · #32 06-13-2003, 02:48 AM

trumpet, yes i think you probably have actually.. my memeory is selectivley poor. some things go in, some go through... like the names of band members for example

so, piano, trumpet, bass, guitar, sax and vocals - a regular one man band!

Q: do you come from a musical family?

moley · #33 06-13-2003, 03:01 AM

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Originally posted by Howard K
trumpet, yes i think you probably have actually.. my memeory is selectivley poor. some things go in, some go through... like the names of band members for example

LOL!

so, piano, trumpet, bass, guitar, sax and vocals - a regular one man band!

Heh, yup!

Q: do you come from a musical family?

A: Yes

My dad is very musical, as are his brothers (used to be four, now three). His younger brother - my uncle - is the guitarist in that band. Also, my mum's dad was a composer. We're still getting royalties!

Howard K · #34 06-13-2003, 03:10 AM

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My dad is very musical, as are his brothers (used to be four, now three). His younger brother - my uncle - is the guitarist in that band. Also, my mum's dad was a composer. We're still getting royalties!

Aaah that explains it. I think it's one of those things that definitley gets passed down. I really want my kids (when I have them) to grow up around music, it's one of the very few really rewarding things that could actually make a great career.. fine art is hardly a contender

No one in my family is remotely musical, but my dad is a big listener - i grow up listening to all sorts of classical stuff, Jean-Michael Jarre and Bob Dylan...

I'm in the studio next week with my rock band. We're in Studio A and Metropolis in Chiswick - our singer blagged a weeks studio time after putting a load of work there way (he's in A&R for WEA London Records), so we have about £2000 per days worth of studio, pro-tools and engineer for five days, for free, woo hoo, I'm excited now!

If this demo comes out sh1t, it's time to qu1t!

Bruce Lindfield · #35 06-13-2003, 03:11 AM

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Originally posted by ConU

It's considered "professional" to provide horn players with transposed charts,but in the real world they're expected to read concert pitch.The overwhelming majority I've met do,and well.(show-offs )

Yes - the Jazz professionals, I've met - at workshops, summerschools etc. - can all do this - they seem to be able to transpose from anything instantly!

But the standard of horn players I'm likely to play with, won't even consider playing from concert unless they're given a few weeks' notice!!