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Old 06-14-2010, 03:06 PM
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Guitarist wrote a song using D G C. The song lends itself to a walking bass line structure. I'm trying to figure out how to do that. I'm dissecting the chords down by notes D={D, F#, A } G={G, B, D}, C={C, E, G}. Is there a particular was walking bass lines go about incorporating the notes of the chords?
(I'm new to bass and learning, so if this is easy for you, please note that I'm trying to learn. )

Question 2: Keys. I hear people say "this is played in Key of ....", how do you know what key to be in, and where is that located on the fretboard? (Probably not a very simple answer I'm guessing.)
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Old 06-14-2010, 03:54 PM
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Question 1:
Guitarist wrote a song using D G C. The song lends itself to a walking bass line structure. I'm trying to figure out how to do that. I'm dissecting the chords down by notes D={D, F#, A } G={G, B, D}, C={C, E, G}. Is there a particular was walking bass lines go about incorporating the notes of the chords?
(I'm new to bass and learning, so if this is easy for you, please note that I'm trying to learn. )

Question 2: Keys. I hear people say "this is played in Key of ....", how do you know what key to be in, and where is that located on the fretboard? (Probably not a very simple answer I'm guessing.)
OK walking to the next chord root. Go for it, but, miss it and walk up or back down to it. Yep, that simple. Not necessary with every chord change, you'll get a feel for it. Hated it when the old guys told me to feel it - sorry.

How do bass lines go about including the notes of the chord. Place your key scale and then know where the G, C, D notes are in your scale pattern. Now when you are playing over the G chord you visualize the G major scale and play the R-3-5-3 intervals. When the song moves to the C chord you visualize the C major scale and play the R-3-5-3 intervals - this time starting with C-E-G-E. Why the extra E? You probably are in 4/4 time so you need four beats to the measure thus you need four notes to sound.
C = R-3-5-3
Cm = R-b3-5-b3 -- minor chords always have a b3 interval.
C7 = R-3-5-b7 -- a dominant seventh will always have a b7 interval.
Cmaj7 = R-3-5-7 -- a major seventh will always have a natural 7 interval.
Cm7 = R-b3-5-b7 -- yep its minor and has the dominant seventh also.
Cdim = R-b3-b5-b3 -- a diminished chord is minor and the 5th is flatted (diminished).
C/G = on slash chords play the slash NOTE ignore the first chord. Guitar will play a C chord with a low G (the low G on the 6th string 3rd fret added to the normal C fingering) Our job is to accent the low G note.
Beyond 7ths you just do not have room. Ignore the right hand portion of those fancy chords - get the left hand structure part. On two chords to one measure - R-5 on both is all the room you have. You might try R-3 on one and R-5 on the other. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4x0u...eature=related

How do you know what key - good question. Most of the time the song will have a Key signature shown on the sheet music. Or the director will say; "Next one is Kiss ole Kate in D". Or you can look at the verses and if every verse stops, ends, with the same chord, i.e. C, that's your key. Or you listen to the song and walk the frets on your G string. When what you are hearing with the song and what you are doing on the G string come together - sound good together - you've found the tonal center, thus the key. Look down at what fret this happened on that note is your key. You gotta know how to do that to play over your CD's and you gotta play over your CD's to get a feel for your bass. http://www.guitarbackingtrack.com/pl...eric/layla.htm I hear E, how about you?

As to where are the keys on your fretboard. You need a fretboard chart and a Major, minor, scale chart. You place the major scale pattern at the root note you want and the notes of that scale are waiting for you within the pattern. Yes neat. It's not rocket science you just need to know a few of the basic things of how music thinks.

http://www.guitarhangout.com/wp-cont...itar-notes.jpg
http://www.cyberfretbass.com/scales/basic/page2.php Those numbers are the fingers you are to use. 1= index, etc. The red circle is the root. Place the root and that scale pattern is waiting for you.
http://www.woodwind.org/clarinet/Stu...les/index.html One of these days you'll want to know that the E major scale has the E, F#, G#, A, B, C#, and D# note. There is a formula or you can just look at your handy dandy scale chart. Up to you.

If you will be playing in the key of C. Place the major scale pattern with the red root note at the 3rd string 3rd fret, i.e. the C note. Where is the 2? Up the neck two frets same string. Where is the 3? Up a string and back one fret. The 4? Up a string same fret as the root. The 5? Down a string or up a string and up the neck two frets - take your pick. Where is the 6? Up two strings and back one fret - over the 3. Where is the 7? Same string as the 6 you figure this one out. The 8th starts another octave where is it? Try R-3-5-3-8-7-6-5 like that sound? Those notes are located in those same spots all over your frtboard.

www.studybass.com is a friend.

If you still need help. Re-phrase your question and ask again.

Good luck.

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Old 06-14-2010, 04:16 PM
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How do bass lines go about including the notes of the chord. Place your key scale and then know where the G, C, D notes are in your scale pattern. Now when you are playing over the G chord you visualize the G major scale and play the R-3-5-3 intervals. When the song moves to the C chord you visualize the C major scale and play the R-3-5-3 intervals - this time starting with C-E-G-E. Why the extra E? You probably are in 4/4 time so you need four beats to the measure thus you need four notes to sound.
C = R-3-5-3
Cm = R-b3-5-b3
C7 = R-3-5-b7
Cmaj7 = R-3-5-7
Cm7 = R-b3-5-b7
Cdim = R-b3-b5-b3
C/G = on slash chords play the slash ignore the first chord.
Beyond 7ths you just do not have room. Ignore the right hand portion of those fancy chords - get the left hand structure part. On two chords to one measure - R-5 on both is all the room you have. You might try R-3 on one and R-5 on the other.

How do you know what key - good question. Most of the time the song will have a Key signature shown on the sheet music. Or the director will say; "Next one is Kiss ole Kate in D". Or you can look at the verses and if every verse stops, ends, with the same chord, i.e. C, that's your key.

As to where are the keys on your fretboard. You need a fretboard chart and a Major, minor, scale chart. You place the major scale pattern at the root note you want and the notes of that scale are waiting for you within the pattern. Yes neat. It's not rocket science you just need to know a few of the basic things of how music thinks.
Great, succinct answer!
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Old 06-14-2010, 07:21 PM
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Question 1:
Guitarist wrote a song using D G C. The song lends itself to a walking bass line structure. I'm trying to figure out how to do that. I'm dissecting the chords down by notes D={D, F#, A } G={G, B, D}, C={C, E, G}. Is there a particular was walking bass lines go about incorporating the notes of the chords?
(I'm new to bass and learning, so if this is easy for you, please note that I'm trying to learn. )

Question 2: Keys. I hear people say "this is played in Key of ....", how do you know what key to be in, and where is that located on the fretboard? (Probably not a very simple answer I'm guessing.)
This looks like it's calling for a standard bassline like 1-3-5-6-8-6-5-3-1 sort of thing IMO.
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Old 06-14-2010, 09:49 PM
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To add to the good stuff above:

To go from D to G I am thinking about leading the bass line to the next chord, so beat 4 of the last measure of D would be F#. F# is also the 3rd of D. So in a single 4/4 measure before D changes to G, I would play D E F F# the downbeat of the next measure is G.

OR

Come down to it by using A as a leading tone to G (A is fifth of D) so I would play D C# B A G ....


To go from G to C is the same concept so in a single 4/4 measure before G changes to C I would play G A Bb B C ...
or G F# E D C...

To go from C back to D I would typically use something like C G A C D... or another leading scale pattern, do not discount 1-3-5-6-8-6-5-3-(1 of the next chord) mentioned above.

Just a thought on arcing the bass line. Practice in 2 octaves.
This type of leading should help the bass line to remain focused and melodic. It may take a little bit of time to get used to hearing this.

This is sort of a 251 progression except modally it would be ii V I but you have the F#

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