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07-09-2008, 03:07 PM
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In A minor, I play a chord with the notes E, A, F - with E being in the bass. What would you call this chord? |
07-09-2008, 03:14 PM
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07-09-2008, 03:16 PM
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Damn beat me to it, and I forgot about those inversion things. |
07-09-2008, 03:20 PM
|  | Registered User | | Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Nashville | | | Well, I hate to be vague, but it really depends on the context of the chord-it's function in what's going on. Since the "E" is on the bottom, you don't have any really obvious thirds. It seems unlikely that it's an Fmaj7/E, although it could be. It could be like an Esus(add9) too. |
07-09-2008, 03:22 PM
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07-09-2008, 03:59 PM
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Amin-Caug-Amin-Fdim-G#dim
Amin-(this chord we are talking about)-G#min-(B,E,C)
So to me the minor ninth sounds more like a minor ninth than an inverted major seventh, if that makes sense. |
07-09-2008, 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Calebmundy  Well, I hate to be vague, but it really depends on the context of the chord-it's function in what's going on. Since the "E" is on the bottom, you don't have any really obvious thirds. It seems unlikely that it's an Fmaj7/E, although it could be. It could be like an Esus(add9) too. | No. Fmaj7 in third inversion. The 5th is the first note to be omitted in a chord voicing because that pitch is an overtone so strongly present in the root note.
Unless there is a melody present to indicate a non harmonic tone context doesn't matter: a chord name is a chord name regardless of context. |
07-09-2008, 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by conical johnson In A minor, I play a chord with the notes E, A, F - with E being in the bass. What would you call this chord? | I am taking a stab in the dark but maybe
E Suspended 4th Add Flat 9th but I could see FM7/E
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07-09-2008, 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by conical johnson Dissonant classical music, I guess. I have a tune that goes
Amin-Caug-Amin-Fdim-G#dim
Amin-(this chord we are talking about)-G#min-(B,E,C)
So to me the minor ninth sounds more like a minor ninth than an inverted major seventh, if that makes sense. | All of the other chords in his progression are from tertian harmony, functional or not.
Suspended chords are quartal and if you're finding a suspension in tertian harmony it is a nonharmonic tone called, of course, a suspension.
Fmaj7, 3rd inversion. |
07-09-2008, 04:16 PM
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07-09-2008, 06:06 PM
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07-09-2008, 08:13 PM
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Originally Posted by onlyclave All of the other chords in his progression are from tertian harmony, functional or not.
Suspended chords are quartal and if you're finding a suspension in tertian harmony it is a nonharmonic tone called, of course, a suspension.
Fmaj7, 3rd inversion. | Hate to say, but I agree with you for once. |
07-09-2008, 09:07 PM
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Originally Posted by onlyclave All of the other chords in his progression are from tertian harmony, functional or not. | What does that mean, "functional or not"? Sounds like a jab, like my chords are superfluous to you.  |
07-09-2008, 09:30 PM
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07-09-2008, 09:54 PM
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Owner, Iron Ether Electronics | | Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: LA US | | | It seems like all my chords here do relate to the tonal center, though, no? G# minor contains the D#, which is not a part of the key, but what is not "functional" here? |
07-09-2008, 10:52 PM
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07-09-2008, 11:53 PM
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07-11-2008, 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by conical johnson It seems like all my chords here do relate to the tonal center, though, no? G# minor contains the D#, which is not a part of the key, but what is not "functional" here? | Eh? |
07-11-2008, 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by conical johnson In A minor, I play a chord with the notes E, A, F - with E being in the bass. What would you call this chord? | Call it jazz and let it go at that!
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