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Old 06-12-2009, 05:36 AM
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Hi everyone!

My bass teacher has started me off with certain scales. They are:

C Major 7 I Ionian
D Minor 7 II Dorian
E Minor 7 III Phyrigian
F Major +4 IV Lydian
G7 V Mixilyidian

So, I know that A and B should come next, however, what would the scales be? I'm not to sure where he is going with this, other than him telling me that I will be able to play these when a song is in the key of C.

Therefore, since I had my lesson last night and already am comfortable with these, what comes next so that I can practice them ahead of time. Thanks!
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Hi everyone!

My bass teacher has started me off with certain scales. They are:

C Major 7 I Ionian
D Minor 7 II Dorian
E Minor 7 III Phyrigian
F Major +4 IV Lydian
G7 V Mixilyidian

So, I know that A and B should come next, however, what would the scales be? I'm not to sure where he is going with this, other than him telling me that I will be able to play these when a song is in the key of C.

Therefore, since I had my lesson last night and already am comfortable with these, what comes next so that I can practice them ahead of time. Thanks!
My guess is
A Minor VI Aeolian
B Minor 7b5 VII Locrian
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Excellent, is this based on theory? I suppose it wouldn't hurt to learn them anyways, but I'm curious why you think these are the next too? Just trying to use them in context is all. I appreciate the reply
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It's because of the chords that come from the C major scale. Take a C major scale and stack it in thirds. You'll get

Cmaj7
Dmin7
Emin7
Fmaj7
G7
Amin7
Bmin7b5

The corresponding modes are the notes of the C major scale starting on the root of the chord.

But if you don't know the chords, I think learning the modes isn't nearly as useful as it should be. You gotta know WHY those chords go with those modes, and it's not just because they do...

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Excellent, is this based on theory? I suppose it wouldn't hurt to learn them anyways, but I'm curious why you think these are the next too? Just trying to use them in context is all. I appreciate the reply
What you're doing is learning each of the basic modes (I think there's something else you could call these seven, but I forget the term) starting from a different note. You can know how to make the chords from these scales by harmonizing the notes in the scale (in this case, the C Major scale).

By harmonize, I mean creating chords from the notes using the intervals in chords and placing the proper notes in the right order. As example, I'll harmonize the first note, C, and the sixth note, A.

The C Major Scale is as follows:

C D E F G A B

The Intervals in a C major 7th chord is as follows:

1, 3, 5, 7

Now, try placing numbers over the notes of the scale to get this:

1 2 3 4 5 6 7
C D E F G A B

Use the numbers/intervals that represent the Major 7th Chord. Take the notes that correspond to the intervals of the chord to get the notes in them:

1 3 5 7
C E G B

And thus you get the C Major 7th Chord.

For A, you start the same way with C, except now you start the scale from A. You still place numbers over the notes of the scale:
Here's where knowing your intervals really helps, since you need to know the difference between the intervals between the notes in this mode intervals in a C major scale.

1 2 b3 4 5 b6 b7
A B C D E F G

The chord you would make out of this scale would be the Minor 7th Chord. The intervals that define this chord are as follows:

1, b3, 5, b7

Again, take the notes/numbers that correspond with this chord and place them in that order. You end up with this:

1 b3 5 b7
A C E G

IMO, if you really want to learn modes, you should learn them based off of the same note, instead of starting from different notes and not immediately being able to see the differences between the modes.

Here's something you can read through to understand all this better (don't be detered by the site, the info is actually helpful):

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genme...topic=22862214
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JTE beat me to the punch, but as he said you need to really understand chord theory to get all this.
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Old 06-12-2009, 08:14 AM
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Am Aeolian
Bdim Locrian
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Old 06-12-2009, 11:39 AM
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Thanks everyone! I understand the concept of the C Major scale, (Rudreax you explained that very well by the way) I was more confused as to the type of scale and why that type of scale would be used. In other words, why not use all Lydian scales, etc. I think I understand now though, is it like Rudreax said, based on the scale with the 1,3,5,7 you'll need to hit certain notes to make up the chord, and thus different scales will give you the proper notes/chords?
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