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01-23-2002, 03:02 PM
|  | Mr Sumisu 2 U Developer: iGigBook® | | Join Date: May 2000 Location: Peoples Republic of Brooklyn | | | How bout we split the difference
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How about finding a bassist in your area that teaches and take a cam corder with you, record the session and study that video which will probably be better than any video that you can buy.  | 
01-23-2002, 03:43 PM
|  | Registered User | | Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Long Island, NY | | Quote: Originally posted by Gabu
I have a couple of instructional videos from Roscoe Beck that I like. But, I do admit that I have a hard time being disciplined enough to sit through them, go back and redo parts that I have trouble with... etc etc. It's easy to find excuses not to study when you are home in your living room next to the TV.
I need a teacher. | Great point Gabu. Exactly what I was thinking while reading this thread. A teacher provides not only the information, instruction, flexibility, and experience in a person to person setting, but also MOTIVATION. One of the easiest things in the world to do is be lazy. Jaco's not gonna jump out of the screen and give you a lesson to have prepared for next week.
Have I told you about my condition? | 
01-23-2002, 11:42 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Mar 2000 Location: Gallup New Mexico | | | Swan Song Phil,
I appreciate your suggestion. I have been studying bass for the past seven years. I have been fortunate to have had quality instruction. I recieved instruction from two professional bass players and one horn player. I went to the Bass Collective and study with Nilson Matta, Gregory Jones, Gary Kelly and John Pattitucci. So I know what you NY boys are saying.My approach has been to study theory, get an instructor, and play with other people as much as possible. I recently recieved a masters degree in education. I work mainly with disadvantage youth. It would be fair to say that I have an acute understanding of the dire circumstances that these young people face. Without going into detail I can only say that alot of the circumstances are horrific on many levels. I have studied learning theory specifically the latest data on brain research and "Mutiple Intelligence" applications as they relate to learning. Clearly, I just didn't fall off the turnup truck last night. It is said that in order to establish a habit you need to intersect knowledge, skill and desire. All must be present to have a habit. So lets say that in order to establish the learning of the bass habit, you have to have all the elements present. Desire is created in many different ways in many different people. Depending on what dominant intelligence a person is working from, such as kinestic, spatial, verbal, auditory, visual or musical. The desire will be stimulated in different ways. Maybe even from a video. So maybe the visual learner who lives in the middle of the desert whose parents are in and out of prison, and abuse their child and the only thing
thats makes this kid feel good is when he pops in his Jaco video and picks up his cheap bass and escapes, and because he has the desire maybe he can establish a habit of loving the bass like you NY guys. Gentleman I would suggest that your paradigm is valid theoritically and practically. However, one must never deny the particular and unique. I guess my context is much different then yours and this may contribute to my inability to communicate effectively with yall. Nevertheless, I appreciate your insights and wish you the best of luck in your musical journeys.
Peace
Flying on the Wings of Desire
Funkbrother 
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01-24-2002, 12:26 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Northern California | | | Here's a little story,
I once thought "I'd like to be a pro-chef". So I watched EVERY cooking show I could. I bought some cooking gear and a lot of food. I then copied what I watched on the T.V.
I then went to one of the TOP food establishments in L.A. and said "Hire me right now, If you don't like me, fire me tonight". They hired me and one of the best chefs in the place told me I was lying when I told him that I never worked in the food service before. I told him my limitations, we became friends, and he taught me everything he knew.
Then I went to cooking school and within a few years I was one of the best pastry chefs in San Francisco.
So what's the point? Discipline is discipline, either you've got it or you don't. you can hire the best teacher in the world and not practice.
So how about this: get some videos, get some books, learn as much as you can. Then get a teacher and learn as much as you can. The benefit of having some knowledge prior to your first lesson can speed your learning curve And save you some money.
Think about it, you could hire Victor Wooten and if your first lesson is all about "This is a B string" "This is the bridge" that's not money well spent. But, if you read music and knew a little theory that first lesson would really be something.
And what's all this ill will about Brothers? We're all Bass players, the mellow ones in music. We believe in peace, love and harmony. If you ever feel the need to vent some frustration or anger, take a step back, breath deep, and kick the **** out of a guitar or keybord player (spare the drummers, they help us get gig's n' chicks).
~Andrew | 
01-24-2002, 07:24 AM
|  | Mr Sumisu 2 U Developer: iGigBook® | | Join Date: May 2000 Location: Peoples Republic of Brooklyn | | | FunkBrother,
Having read your reply, do you honestly think there's a video out there that going to help you at this stage of your musical journey? Most videos are going to be targeted at a particular audience for the widest appeal to maximize the return on the investment of the video producers. You say you've been studying for seven years, and have had professional instruction, I'm finding it difficult to understand how you would think a video would be anything but an entertainment piece. Moreover, I would think that you probably have enough material that you have learned or have been exposed to by the teachers that you've had to keep you busy for a while, unless of course you have mastered everything that they have shown you. | 
01-24-2002, 10:12 AM
| | Notes we play > Gear we play them on | | Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Wisconsin | | Quote: Originally posted by Andrew Dunbar Here's a little story,
I once thought "I'd like to be a pro-chef". So I watched EVERY cooking show I could. I bought some cooking gear and a lot of food. I then copied what I watched on the T.V.
I then went to one of the TOP food establishments in L.A. and said "Hire me right now, If you don't like me, fire me tonight". They hired me and one of the best chefs in the place told me I was lying when I told him that I never worked in the food service before. I told him my limitations, we became friends, and he taught me everything he knew.
Then I went to cooking school and within a few years I was one of the best pastry chefs in San Francisco. | Was that just a story for illustration or is that a true experience? I've always wanted to be a chef. It was either pursue the culinary arts or sound. I made my choice and stand by it, but I always like to hear from people in the food industry. | 
01-24-2002, 04:18 PM
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