TB Classifieds like CraigsList??

[imdkoz]

Anyone else have a deal in place from TB classifieds only to get the "Sold Locally" PM? I guess my hopes that the TB would be different was poor thinking on my part. The listing said nothing about being listed locally, PayPal info was sent by seller and my bass is packed for shipping.

[john turner]

we have a rule in place that items may not be listed on ebay and here simultaneously without an item having been here first without moving for a week.

we may have to ammend that to include other locations like craigslist and other websites. i'll bring it up to the other mods and admins and see what the consensus is.

in the future, please use the correct forum for posting - basses is instrument-specific discussion. we have a classifieds forum to put questions and issues in, and you'd probably get more appropriate responses there. i'll move this there presently .

[ggvicviper]

I dunno, but I had a '51 Reissue Fender Precision bass listed up once at a pretty fair price. People ignored the post/bump, and if you look at the history behind some of these classified, some of these take a really long time to sell (months), which is bad if you need the quick cash. In my case, I also ended up selling locally a few days later, because someone made me a good offer on it and it wasn't seeing any action on the TB classifieds - just got buried.

[imdkoz]

Originally Posted by john turner

we have a rule in place that items may not be listed on ebay and here simultaneously without an item having been here first without moving for a week.

we may have to ammend that to include other locations like craigslist and other websites. i'll bring it up to the other mods and admins and see what the consensus is.

in the future, please use the correct forum for posting - basses is instrument-specific discussion. we have a classifieds forum to put questions and issues in, and you'd probably get more appropriate responses there. i'll move this there presently .

Thanks John! I was looking for this but didn't see it. I don't think it's an issue of being for sale locally, just when you have a deal in place agreed to by both parties it should be honored. I accepted the sellers counter offer of my bass plus cash and asked for payment options. I received the paypal account to send the money and then 30 mins later a message stating the bass was sold locally. Of course this was after about 8 hours of non-communication. I know there's no "contract" but if you agree to sell something at least honor that agreement.

[imdkoz]

Originally Posted by ggvicviper

I dunno, but I had a '51 Reissue Fender Precision bass listed up once at a pretty fair price. People ignored the post/bump, and if you look at the history behind some of these classified, some of these take a really long time to sell (months), which is bad if you need the quick cash. In my case, I also ended up selling locally a few days later, because someone made me a good offer on it and it wasn't seeing any action on the TB classifieds - just got buried.

ggvicviper, this wasn't the fact of the add not seeing any action. We had a deal in place with paypal info exchanged, my bass packed as part of the deal. So just a bit different than your experience. Thanks for the comments, just trying to bring up an issue.

[Febs]

Originally Posted by john turner

we have a rule in place that items may not be listed on ebay and here simultaneously without an item having been here first without moving for a week.

That is not what the rule actually says, at least as it is currently written. The rule provides:

No Ebay or other auctions. Threads started with the intent to advertise an auction will be deleted. Links to auctions will only be allowed if posted as a reply to an existing (at least one week old) thread originally advertising the direct sale of the same item.

As written, the rule only prohibits the use of a forum classified ad to promote an eBay auction. In other words, it prohibits links to eBay auctions, and not the auctions themselves. There is nothing in the rule as it currently stands that prohibits the simultaneous listing of an item in both the classifieds and on eBay, so long as the user does not use the classified ad to promote the eBay auction.

[imdkoz]

Febs, thanks for the clarification. I think this is a bit off topic as I am more referring to having a deal in place only to have it sold out from under you, ie Craigslist.

[Febs]

Originally Posted by imdkoz

Febs, thanks for the clarification.

Well, take my clarification with a grain of salt, because it is just the interpretation of one TB member (albeit, one who makes his living in large part interpreting rules).

[imdkoz]

Looks like the TB user deleted his ad so there is no record and comments/feedback could be sent. Nice.

[cybersnyder]

Originally Posted by imdkoz

Febs, thanks for the clarification. I think this is a bit off topic as I am more referring to having a deal in place only to have it sold out from under you, ie Craigslist.

From a seller's perspective there are so many times when someone offers $X or says they'll take the item and then disappears. I've tried to leave negative feedback but was told I can't since money didn't change hands. I think the problem is becoming more common place on TB so sellers are listing here and on Craigslist. I really think that we should be able to leave negative feedback if someone offers to buy something and then disappears. It's making Talkbass a less desirable place to sell if the problem gets worse, IMHO.

[imdkoz]

cybersnyder, I completely agree. If I were the one backing out at the last minute, then I should get negative feedback. A few of those and a seller would know what they are dealing with. The same should go for a seller that lists on TB, brokers a deal, then pulls out from it. Thanks for the input!

Originally Posted by cybersnyder

From a seller's perspective there are so many times when someone offers $X or says they'll take the item and then disappears. I've tried to leave negative feedback but was told I can't since money didn't change hands. I think the problem is becoming more common place on TB so sellers are listing here and on Craigslist. I really think that we should be able to leave negative feedback if someone offers to buy something and then disappears. It's making Talkbass a less desirable place to sell if the problem gets worse, IMHO.

[hdracer]

Originally Posted by cybersnyder

From a seller's perspective there are so many times when someone offers $X or says they'll take the item and then disappears. I've tried to leave negative feedback but was told I can't since money didn't change hands. I think the problem is becoming more common place on TB so sellers are listing here and on Craigslist. I really think that we should be able to leave negative feedback if someone offers to buy something and then disappears. It's making Talkbass a less desirable place to sell if the problem gets worse, IMHO.

This.
I do not understand the problem. You had a deal?
When I buy something I PM the seller and say I will buy it, send me the Pay Pal info. As soon as I get the info he has the money. Deal done.

It sounds like you were "working" him and he found another buyer.

[Joe Nerve]

The people here are the people on craigslist.

[imdkoz]

hdracer, Yes we had a deal, I accepted his counter offer of my bass and cash. Asked him to provide a method of payment and communication that was during most of the day stopped for over 8 hours. I get an email at 1:09am with the paypal information, then another at 1:45 stating he has a local buyer. No "working" on my end. My only fault was I was asleep. Sounds like he used my deal to "work" a deal with someone local. I am the same way, payments are made within minutes when PayPal info is received. Thanks for the input, hopefully this can help in the future.

Originally Posted by hdracer

This.
I do not understand the problem. You had a deal?
When I buy something I PM the seller and say I will buy it, send me the Pay Pal info. As soon as I get the info he has the money. Deal done.

It sounds like you were "working" him and he found another buyer.

[imdkoz]

You're right.....unfortunately.

Originally Posted by Joe Nerve

The people here are the people on craigslist.

[RandyMolson]

People backing out of deals is disappointing and a hassle, but it is not worthy of negative FB. Negative FB should be reserved for the serious defaults: Fraud, non-delivery and gross misrepresentation.

A transaction is not closed until money changes hands. Part of buying used (TB, CL eBay, yard sale or other classifieds) is the seller is free to solicit competing offers up until he takes payment. It’s called free market economy. If I really want something used, as a prospective buyer, I assume that the seller is entertaining other offers, and I work to close the deal. But there are no guarantees.

Free market economy can work to the advantage of the buyer as well. A buyer is free to negotiate reductions in the asking price, offer trades, etc. In this economy, I imagine buyers are talking down the prices more often then sellers are choosing between competing offers!

With the OP’s situation, the seller risk is practically null with a local cash deal. The seller may also have preferred to sell outright over a trade deal. Meanwhile the OP’s deal would have involved shipping risk for two instruments, claim risk, fraud risk, shipping logistics and Paypal fees. Not too attractive from the seller's perspective.

A prospective buyer has no claim to a seller for awarding a competing offer. A prospective seller has no claim to a prospective buyer who gets cold feet. Not trying to be rude. That’s just the way it is.

[imdkoz]

Thanks RandyMolson for your factual, albeit, long winded version of cash is king and local sales are easier. However, in a community of like-minded individuals one can only hope for something better than the; “We have a deal. Sorry I sold it 2 minutes before you picked it up.” CL mentality. I do want to thank you for your lessons on the economic and logistic issues facing our nation today. I bet the horses are getting tired making all those cross-country deliveries.

Originally Posted by RandyMolson

People backing out of deals is disappointing and a hassle, but it is not worthy of negative FB. Negative FB should be reserved for the serious defaults: Fraud, non-delivery and gross misrepresentation.

A transaction is not closed until money changes hands. Part of buying used (TB, CL eBay, yard sale or other classifieds) is the seller is free to solicit competing offers up until he takes payment. It’s called free market economy. If I really want something used, as a prospective buyer, I assume that the seller is entertaining other offers, and I work to close the deal. But there are no guarantees.

Free market economy can work to the advantage of the buyer as well. A buyer is free to negotiate reductions in the asking price, offer trades, etc. In this economy, I imagine buyers are talking down the prices more often then sellers are choosing between competing offers!

With the OP’s situation, the seller risk is practically null with a local cash deal. The seller may also have preferred to sell outright over a trade deal. Meanwhile the OP’s deal would have involved shipping risk for two instruments, claim risk, fraud risk, shipping logistics and Paypal fees. Not too attractive from the seller's perspective.

A prospective buyer has no claim to a seller for awarding a competing offer. A prospective seller has no claim to a prospective buyer who gets cold feet. Not trying to be rude. That’s just the way it is.

[A-Step-Towards]

Craigslist sucks , I am amazed stuff sells there , i cant sell my basses there-they will sell here on tb with time.

That said sometimes it sucks to keep packing basses to ship,but if you send paypal thats SOLD, that seller was lame.

I have had guys call me on my way over to there house to say it sold, its like are you kidding me? some people have zero common sense and respect.

[imdkoz]

I agree Step, if you go to the trouble of sending your PayPal address it's sold in my book.