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Old 07-26-2009, 01:12 PM
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Feedback on my playing?

Hey Everybody,

I just got a video of a recital I played on. I was wondering if anyone could offer some outside feedback on this? Specifically, quarter note feel, articulation, time (big one, especially when it's me and the singer), etc. Soloing I'm not so concerned about (because I'm not working on that right now). I know I have a teacher, but there's so many people on these boards with a lot of experience that I thought I'd ask! My biggest influence is Ray Brown if that gives you a conceptual idea. (I'm 19 btw, I'm going to be a sophomore at eastman).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdW52Kks7Vs

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Old 07-27-2009, 10:14 AM
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I have to say, I can't offer much "technical feedback", but there are a few things I can say.

I quite enjoyed the instrumental group, and your playing sounded good to me! However, the singer's tone bothered me so much that I couldn't listen to it for long.

I like your feel and note choice, very Ray-Brown-y.
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Old 07-27-2009, 11:19 AM
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You sound great, man. The Ray Brown influence comes through nicely! I wouldn't normally step forward to critique anyone's playing here - not least because folks like Paul Warburton do the rounds - but from what I hear, you and I probably aspire to similar things in our playing, so here's what I thought:

Nice tone and note choices, and a good sense of direction in your walking lines. One thing that struck me was that, despite clearly being a cool player - I liked *what* he was playing - the drummer's time felt a tiny bit lazy. For the most part it's pretty subtle, but subtle is the point. Sometimes, particularly when you're playing your Ray Brown-y drops and syncopation etc. the backbeat behind you isn't as authoratative as it could be. In that kind of situation, I think you could have been even more Ray Brown-y and kind of layed it down. Sometimes with RB I kind of think, 'If he was playing the time any bigger, it'd be too big.' Of course you don't want to overstate the time, or the dotted-ness of ghost notes or whatever, but it's worth being certain you've stated it, even when a drummer isn't quite. I think the key is that the relationship of everything except quarter or half notes to everything else (ie. the shufflyness or the dottedness) ought to stay pretty consistent. I may have even invented the term, but round here we talk about 'putting it where it lives'.

I've just listened to 'Softly', which comes together a lot more in the way I'm talking about, particularly during the trumpet solo.

Swinging at mid tempos, especially behind singers, is one of the things I most enjoy about being a bassist. Something I personally find hip is to think/hear/play a line as though the syllables of the notes are different, by which I mean (watch me make an idiot of myself now) 'Dwee doo doo d'bee baah doo doo' rather than 'Duhm duhm duhm duhm'. Then 'Duhm duhm duhm' becomes a nice effect when you want/mean it, not just when you don't. You seem to be doing this too, which is great, and maybe that's what you meant by 'articulation'? As an extension of this, you can kind of draw attention to the time with your sound, or the direction of your line. I hear you doing this too, again in a RB fashion, with open E's and A's for example.

The group sounds great though. To use two horrible words, it's very 'competent' and 'authentic' sounding! What's lacking, perhaps, is the sense of the time just *existing*. Fortunately, you sound like you've already got it in your head and in your ears. I think you could just stand to stick your neck out a bit more! Bravo, man! I hope none of that was patronising, and also I hope it doesn't sound like I'm ragging on your drummer. I love his sound, and the content of his playing. Shades of Jeff Hamilton at times even.
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Old 07-27-2009, 12:06 PM
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I am now listening to All Right, OK. Nice sound.. a little bit more treble (but just a tiny bit) wouldn't go amiss in your amp set up just to cut through. Ah ha.. there we go.... Tenor register weakness. Up between d and g on the gstring you must punch these out a bit more. I't not you or your bass, it's the wat the bass is made. It's naturally weak there in walking so you need to compensate, (again hust a tiny bit). Great choice of notes in the II-V-I lines and you could have more of a 'blues scale' approach in these old Basie numbers. Listen to the lines Quincy Jones and Neal Hefti wrote in those 60's bigband arrangements. there's an encyclopedia in there!

Well Now that was a very nice solo! I take back the Blues scale stuff for that one. just be careful that you dont get trombone syndrome ( trombonists tend to get lost in the low register so you hear nice high up stuff and suddenly nothing but mumbling while they go down into the low register and then suddenly a nice bit of higher register clarity etc. )... your solo suffered from this abit so be careful about going too low. Practice punching melodic stuff in the lower register and suddenly you will have another octave of bass to do your solo in!! Oscar Pettiford was good at this - his tone was clear right down there.

During the strumpet solo there is some nice swing going! But at 4:07 you kind of lose swing power (note choice is the culprit) I's like someone handed you a cryptonite crystal! Sammy Nestico said once that it was so easy to stop swinging in so many ways.
Here is one place where you should have remembered 'This is a blues!' anyway.... one tiny blemmish.

All in all a really good job. Work on that low note tone in your solos (Paul Chambers etc.)
Remember to swing! And also remember when you are swinging (which you do), swing some more!
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