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02-15-2008, 04:07 AM
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when you solo alone on this piece... do you still do it A-latin B-swing or going on one feel the whole solo? I had to solo on that and it confused me a little bit.
and the more important question.
What's Green? the dolphin or the street?
i mean. Is that the street of the green dolphin or it's the green street of the dolphin ?
Hard question!
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02-15-2008, 05:09 AM
|  | Supporting Member | | Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Ottawa, Canada | | | The title comes from the 1947 of the same name. I've never seen the film so I'm not sure what the green applies to but I would guess there is a street by that name in the film.
You can really do whatever you want. With tunes that have heads that switch between latin and swing, I find that there are many variables as to whether one should swing throughout all the solos or not. Different tunes subtly suggest one way or the other and it also depends on the tempo and whether you're trying to build some momentum. I usually always swing throughout the solos on "Green Dolphin." Tonight at a gig I played "Night and Day" and kept a latin-swing-latin form throughout the solos too. Caravan is one that I often tend to that on too but then sometimes to break it up I'll just swing through a whole section of solos. Do whatever FEELS right and break things up to avoid monotony.
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02-15-2008, 05:39 AM
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02-15-2008, 09:35 AM
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02-15-2008, 09:40 AM
|  | Registered User | | Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: knoxville, tennessee | | | man, i love the way Ray Brown, Barney Kessel and Shelly Manne did it on their Poll Winners record! what a great album. one of my favorite records and what an awesome tune. |
02-15-2008, 10:55 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Denver Colorado | | | It's also fun to take a swing tune and do it in a latin format and visa versa. We do this on the fly on gig's sometimes. Of course and sometimes it falls on it's face too, but it's always fun to experiment. |
02-15-2008, 07:03 PM
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02-15-2008, 07:55 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Chicago 'Burbs | | and here I thought this was going to be a thread about the jazz club here in the city.... |
02-15-2008, 08:01 PM
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Originally Posted by el_mariachi  and here I thought this was going to be a thread about the jazz club here in the city.... | Funny thing about that "jazz"  club.
They have a huge sign out front that says "jazz nightly". The only nights they have jazz anymore are wednesdays with this tired old big band and sunday matinee for their "intimate jazz series" which is booked by some old dinosaur who is way out of touch with the scene.
Now back on topic.
This is an important question because traditionally when it is your turn to solo as an upright player everybody else will usually stop playing so you have to know if you are going to just swing or just latin or back and forth. Just talk to your drummer and piano player before you start the tune. Communication Rocks!
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02-15-2008, 08:23 PM
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The setting, for love beyond forgetting . . . "
Taking a cue from Mr. Gomez, I like playing the first A & B in the key of Eb and the second A & C in the key of C. Check it out.
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02-16-2008, 12:09 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Orillia Ontario Canada | | | My favorite version is either the live Miles & Coltrane recording from Stockholm, or the live Oscar Peterson trio version from the London House recordings.
Usually it is played straight for the solos, and Latin/Swing for the head and then when you take it out. |
02-16-2008, 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Sam Sherry Taking a cue from Mr. Gomez, I like playing the first A & B in the key of Eb and the second A & C in the key of C. Check it out. | Are you sure you have the keys the right way around? I do the same except in reverse. Begin on C and then go to Eb in the second half. I thought that's how Gomez does it too. |
02-16-2008, 03:34 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Portland, Oregon | | | Then play the first 8 in one key and the second 8 in the next key, and then take it down to 4 bars, and then 2 and then one. I guess Randy Porter liked to do that. A total trip to keep two keys going basically simultaneously in your brain. |
02-17-2008, 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Nami when you solo alone on this piece... do you still do it A-latin B-swing or going on one feel the whole solo? I had to solo on that and it confused me a little bit. | It's your solo, play whatever you want. FWIW, I think alternating is corny. But that's from my perspective in the rhythm section. |
02-17-2008, 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Sam Sherry I like playing the first A & B in the key of Eb and the second A & C in the key of C. Check it out. | Quote:
Originally Posted by Adrian Cho Are you sure you have the keys the right way around? I do the same except in reverse. Begin on C and then go to Eb in the second half. I thought that's how Gomez does it too. | Yeah, I know, but I do it that way on purpose. If you start in Eb you end up on that nice Gb in bar 15. Big G7 in bar 16 sets you up for the second spin in the key of C very nicely. |
02-17-2008, 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Sam Sherry Yeah, I know, but I do it that way on purpose. If you start in Eb you end up on that nice Gb in bar 15. Big G7 in bar 16 sets you up for the second spin in the key of C very nicely. | Hmmm. Wouldn't you end up with the nice Gb in bar 31. Big G7 in 32 setting you up for the key of C at the top if you did it C then Eb? Whichever way you go, it is a cool effect.
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