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05-27-2008, 09:27 AM
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05-27-2008, 09:41 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Florida | | | He must have heard me play.
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05-27-2008, 09:46 AM
|  | Playing his P bass off into the sunset | | Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bellingham, WA | | | Wow. What a waste of bandwidth. I wonder what the guy has against bass that he would write such an aggressive article?
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05-27-2008, 10:25 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: May 2007 Location: San Marvelous, Texas | | | In response to the article, I must humbly submit documentation in "Bill Evans, How My Heart Sings."
" Evans wanted to escape this conventional approach to Jazz form, and for good reason. He knew that if the stereotyped mold could be broken, beautiful music could be created. He was also conscious that he wanted to develop this ideal, not as a solo pianist, but with colleagues of like mind."
In short, the authors ad homonym argument is like so many things in modern society: un-researched, inappropriate, and thoroughly ignorant. Next time perhaps facts should be researched, and opinions should be educated. But I suppose the author in question is one to not let facts get in the way of the truth. |
05-27-2008, 03:19 PM
|  | Official Forum Flunkee | | Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: San Francisco, CA | | I found it ironic that Chuck Israels responded to that blog and seemingly noone noticed.
Also, 70% of the responses were posted today, probably because it was first alerted here. So does that mean Chuck Israels reads TBDB?!?!  HI CHUCK!!!  |
05-27-2008, 03:22 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: east village, manhattan, nyc | | Quote:
Originally Posted by txstatebass In response to the article, I must humbly submit documentation in "Bill Evans, How My Heart Sings."
" Evans wanted to escape this conventional approach to Jazz form, and for good reason. He knew that if the stereotyped mold could be broken, beautiful music could be created. He was also conscious that he wanted to develop this ideal, not as a solo pianist, but with colleagues of like mind."
In short, the authors ad homonym argument is like so many things in modern society: un-researched, inappropriate, and thoroughly ignorant. Next time perhaps facts should be researched, and opinions should be educated. But I suppose the author in question is one to not let facts get in the way of the truth. | it's "ad hominem" mate
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05-27-2008, 03:30 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: May 2007 Location: San Marvelous, Texas | | | thanks. my Latin is a bit shaky. |
05-27-2008, 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by txstatebass thanks. my Latin is a bit shaky. | was a philosophy major in college...had all the logic fallacies drilled into my head :P
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05-27-2008, 03:35 PM
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Endorsing Artist: Spector Basses | | Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Mountains of Colorado | | | What a complete waste of time. The author is just trolling for hits, if you're reading this before you click on the link, don't.
See also the companion piece "How the Saxophone Destroyed Classical Music."
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05-27-2008, 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by shwashwa | Hogwash. A bad solo is a bad solo, and maybe not even that, depending on your particular preference. As solos from one particular instrument ruining a whole genre of music, Jazz, is hogwash. |
05-27-2008, 03:43 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: May 2007 Location: San Marvelous, Texas | | | Well it's a good education then downneck. I never mind getting corrected. |
05-27-2008, 05:41 PM
| | | | its just a bummer that a site with the web address "jazz.com" could post such garbage. you'd think the first requirement for a contributing editor on such a site would be a knowledge of jazz which the author, Alan Kurtz, clearly does not have. i know it's not a magazine, or an "article" per se, its just a blog, that's why its important to take advantage of the features of this blog and leave comments at the bottom of the page letting unsuspecting readers know that this guy does not speak for jazz musicians, jazz critics, and probably knows nothing about jazz at all. many readers may wrongly assume that because he posts there that he's some sort of authority, when in reality, any idiot can post on the internet (hence this post). he even says in his profile that he's not a musician and he's not a writer. the fact he's just heard jazz before seems to be his only qualification. (perhaps i should start writing for a medical journal since i've been to the doctor before) we should take advantage of the features of the the blog and post the counter arguement at the bottom. the scary thing is if you google this guy, it looks like he's trying to make a name for himself as a jazz writer of some sort, and he's attracting criticism other places on the web too. the part that confuses me is that you'd think that jazz.com would be trying to attract members of the jazz community rather than alienate them. as far as im concerned, after reading that post, jazz.com is garbage for allowing it. jazz in general faces enough challenges. it doesnt need another dope running around doing more damage, especially on a site that seems like it would want to advocate for jazz.
one really cool thing though, chuck israels posted on it! |
05-27-2008, 05:50 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Worcester, MA, USA | | | Troll Alert!
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Originally Posted by shwashwa | "Don't Feed the Troll" pretty much sums it up. Get this Kurtz fellow a spot on Fox News... 
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05-27-2008, 05:55 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: May 2007 Location: Southeast Mass | | | "This cliché misconstrues jazz and democracy. An effective group requires both a leader with vision, and participants willing to cooperate towards a common goal."
That to me is complete ********
Jazz is not one artist using other people as his paintbrushes and paints, it's about multiple artists bringing their own paints and paintbrushes to paint a communal picture. In a way to me, however much i hate to say this, jazz is more like communism, minus Stalin.
Where does he get off saying the crap he says in that article!
What a load of bull
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05-27-2008, 05:56 PM
| | | | he's a troll for sure, but as i said in my previous post, he's trying to become some sort of authority on jazz, and most non musicians who read the site probably think that he is an authority. i love jazz and jazz bass enough to try to actually support and help the music rather than hurt it. you'd think a site like jazz.com would think the same way. |
05-27-2008, 06:02 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: May 2004 Location: Wisconsin | | | well that was a waste of reading. what a piece of garbage.
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05-27-2008, 06:03 PM
| | Banned | | Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Marathon Man | | Wow, someone actually sacrificed the integrity of their site by giving some no-name jazz conservative space to rant?  |
05-27-2008, 06:31 PM
| | | | where is ed faqua when we need him? |
05-27-2008, 07:38 PM
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