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09-14-2005, 09:20 AM
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09-14-2005, 10:19 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Denver, Co. | | | I never even had a lesson and i'm passable with the bow.
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Oh, no.....have we gone OT yet again?
"The opportunity was there...but it never presented itself." Phil Urso, 1980. :atoz: |
09-14-2005, 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Paul Warburton I never even had a lesson and i'm passable with the bow. |
Is that the set-up for one of those old jokes?
As in - when people hear my arco playing, they pass by me, as quickly as possible!! 
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09-14-2005, 11:04 AM
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Passable where and for what with the Bow Paul? |
09-14-2005, 11:08 AM
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09-14-2005, 11:29 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Manchester UK | | | Come now guys - look again at Paul's avatar!
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09-14-2005, 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Chris Fitzgerald "The only advantage I can see to NOT learning arco and taking lessons is that you get to brag - "Never even had a lesson!"....my response was given to show that this is not the case. Sometimes, it's a matter of time. | And my response to " Never even had a lesson" meant exactly that and also I was able to teach myself how to use the German bow. I tried,for years, to bow solo's, but found it just too hard to pull it off ...not enough room on the band-stand to even wield a bow, what with drummers cymbals and just too many people on the band-stand.
As Ed says.... 'Big ego head'
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Oh, no.....have we gone OT yet again?
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09-14-2005, 08:39 PM
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Paul, I was pulling your leg.. actually I was Bowing it.. How much rosin do you use when Butt Bowing (Avatar)? Spicatto must drive her nuts, or earn a kick in yours..lol  |
09-15-2005, 01:39 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Vancouver, BC | | | "The only advantage I can see!"
I said it, not Durrl!
My point was, why NOT take advantage of the knowledge that other bass players have from years and years of playing?
In my own development, I had to stop and admit that I had a LOT to learn from classical lessons. That's just me, and I'm not trying to be better than anyone else. I got so much out of learning the bow and classical bass, that I hope others will too.
in all seriousness:
Paul plays great, and I am not worthy!
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09-15-2005, 05:45 AM
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I remember when Freedom Jazz Dance was the new craze on Bass. Miroslav had just released his record. I learned to be fast across the strings as well as up n down. I had just started taking lessons with my first Classical guy, a student of Shaeffer on Bow technique. A couple of years later I was with another guy in the NY Phil and working on the Eccles, Dragonetti and other things as directed. As a matter of fact I wasn't able to play Freedom Jazz Dance as well anymore as I had changed my left hand technique along with everything else. Also, the string height, spacing and arch had do be slightly different for the Bow.
Bottom line is that I could play faster b4 my heavier classical studies but not as well in tune. I improved intonation and accuracy with the Bow but my Pizz lost some speed. I think that is mainly due to spending most of my practice time bowing and not pizzing. In 1975 I was working with a Jazz group 6 nights a week in NYC and it started comming back. This time my foundation was better and even with my large shouldered Italian Bass, I could play all the octaves and cross the strings in thumb pos. I have my old Bridge here from that Bass and it has a decent Bowing arch but strings are spaced only 23.5mm apart. That made the difference for me in the Pizz stuff as well as crossing the strings.
Like with anything in music or sports, when you change something you also loose something until you re-learn everything the new way. How many different swings has Tiger Woods had on tour. He works on something new, he looses all his tournaments for awhile as he works on the new stuff and then one day he leaves the rest of the field in the dust.. Patience.. Learning in mental, physical AND emotional... |
09-15-2005, 07:36 AM
| | | | For me I find that all of my arco studies have caused my pizz playing to be more accurate in pitch, I access much more of the neck -- and I'm a helluva a lot faster. Laying the bow down seems like taking sand bags offa the ankles before I go running. |  | Thread Tools | Search this Thread | | | | 
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