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04-21-2009, 01:36 PM
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04-21-2009, 02:32 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City area | | | I love Mingus but his technique in the mid 60's wasn't right either. I have no idea how he was able to play so well.
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04-21-2009, 02:55 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Austin, TX | | | Ray Brown has *the* technique. His left hand clearly shows every note he is playing, and is very much in a Simandl tradition. Rufus Reid also has a very "proper" left hand. Many other guys have their own thing happening, but as far as posture and positioning of everything, Brown and Reid would be great examples to follow.
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04-21-2009, 03:53 PM
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Builder for Audiokinesis and Fearful speakers Endorser for EA, Roscoe | | | | | IMHO, George Mraz has the most perfect technique. No wasted motion. Perfect balance of poise and function. Check out the Youtube video that was circulating here. Joe Lovano trio w/ Mraz and Al Foster. I studied with Rufus in high school and while I love his playing, his physical approach is not what I'm trying to emulate. He always plays sitting and has a very soft right hand attack. He has humongous hands, so he's getting a ton of meat on the string even with a soft attack. Now I've never been a fan of his soling, but if you watch an earlier 60's video of Ron Carter his poise is amazing. The PERFECT rythym feel and amazing balance in terms of physical position. Dave Holland is different, but has very effective technique. He plays the bass more like a piano. His right hand attack is almost always the same, but is letter perfect rythmically.
While Ray Brown is the starting point for modern jazz double bass, I think that his technique is less legato than someone like Ron Carter who I think was the next step after Ray in bass functional evolution. Same perfect ryhthmic thump, but now the notes are more connected with a bit less bounce. Marc Johnson has awesome technique and a huge variety of right hand articulation. |
04-21-2009, 04:01 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Chicago | | Marco Panascia's clips are pretty great too. |
04-23-2009, 05:08 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: eugene, oregon | | here is the video of mraz with lovano and foster: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wnETzFQ2ok
man, both mraz and panascia have beautiful technique. anybody know who mraz studied with?
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04-23-2009, 05:14 PM
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Builder for Audiokinesis and Fearful speakers Endorser for EA, Roscoe | | | | | Mraz as well as Miroslav studied with Frantisek Posta, one of Europe's finest bassists and teachers. (no longer with us) |
04-23-2009, 05:25 PM
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Builder for Audiokinesis and Fearful speakers Endorser for EA, Roscoe | | | | | Man, checked out the duets with Mario and Dario. Mario sounded great, but Dario KILLED me. Never heard of him before. WOW. |
04-23-2009, 05:41 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Park City, Utah | | Quote:
Originally Posted by sean p  | Great video!
Here's another one of Mraz with Tommy Flanagan Trio. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2MLu...eature=related
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04-24-2009, 02:46 PM
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04-25-2009, 08:26 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Eastman School of Music | | Technically speaking, Ray Brown was very Simandl rooted but his left hand position got lazy (same with Christian McBride). Doesn't mean he's using bad fingerings or "incorrect fingerings," but the shape and all that aren't pristine. He's still my favorite bassist of all time though  |
04-25-2009, 11:31 PM
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Maker of HPF-Pre upright bass preamp | | Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Madison WI | | Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike D. | LOL, my broadband connection can't keep up with Patitucci. |
04-26-2009, 04:51 PM
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Endorsing Artist: Lakland, Genz Benz | | Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Chicago, that toddling town | | Now, for the sake of argument, just because someone's hands look less than text-book doesn't necessarily indicate "bad" technique. Ever seen Edgar Meyer? His left hand in the lower third of the bass is far from standard, but... have you ever heard him play a note out of tune? It's too bad schools don't teach insane bluegrass fingering. It's the new Simandl, haven't you heard? |
04-26-2009, 05:57 PM
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Builder for Audiokinesis and Fearful speakers Endorser for EA, Roscoe | | | | | A lot of what is considered "proper bass technique" has changed and will change. What Francois Rabbath devised that was looked upon as "improper technique" is now the basis for many players technique. 30 years ago I thought I was pretty cool in that I was taking thumb position way back (past the heel) And then I found out that many guys were doing that. It was just logical. ( I saw Dennis Trembly , principal in La take it all the way back and just tear up the classical solo repetoire )
It's interesting to see videos of Wes Montgomery. The most beautiful swinging legato lines. His left hand looked TERRIBLE. Really awkward and spastic looking. But when I closed my eyes, WOW. I was uncomfortable watching it. It just goes to show you----you have a sound in your head and if you want to badly enough you will find a way to make it work. Most of the great advances in technique are from guys that just found a way to get what was in their heads out through their instruments. |
04-26-2009, 10:34 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Austin, TX | | | As always, technique has to serve the music... not the other way around. |
04-28-2009, 09:00 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Ridgewood, NJ | | | A Simandl student might be taken aback by Michael Moore's left hand, but he is playing Streicher all the way.
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04-28-2009, 09:12 PM
| | | | An interesting thing one of my teachers said once:
"Oscar Peterson and Thelonius Monk. Who had better technique?"
(silence)
"They both had exactly the technique they needed to play the music they wanted to play" |
04-28-2009, 09:16 PM
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Originally Posted by SimpleIsBest "Oscar Peterson and Thelonius Monk. Who had better technique?"
(silence) | Hans Groiner.
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04-29-2009, 08:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Mike D. | Wow! Scott Colley is REALLY great! |
05-08-2009, 02:34 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: deepest alabama | | | Django had pretty decent chops without fingers. |  | Thread Tools | Search this Thread | | | | 
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