'Latin Jazz Feel'

[Bruce Lindfield]

Originally Posted by Darrenmcbass

This is becoming a really excellent thread, many thanks to all who have contributed. perhaps I wasn't crystal clear with my query, Cuban and Portuguese music is like a religion, what I'm really interested in (in this thread) is standards played in a straight eights feel with a modern 'Latin jazz' lilt. You know like, when someone calls a tune like out of nowhere but straight.

Thanks again for the great links and suggestions

This is an even bigger area - but I could recommend Jerry Gonzalez and the Fort Apache band who do classic Jazz in a modern Latin style :

Amazon.com: Rumba Buhaina - The Music of Art Blakey and the Jazz Messengers: Jerry Gonzalez & the Fort Apache Band: Music



Amazon.com: Rumba Para Monk: Jerry Gonzalez & the Fort Apache Band: Music

[hdiddy]

Originally Posted by Eric Hochberg

You'll find countless samples of hip Latin jazz bass lines/grooves in the suggestions above. They can be adapted to standards at your discretion. It's up to your creativity to make it happen!

Yup, you have to understand the clave, whether it's Cuban 3/2 or 2/3, or if it's Brazilian Clave. Then understand where the conga pattern sits and the bass/tumbao/surdo pattern sits in the mix. You can then do any basic latin feel at will, regardless of the song.

If you want an intro to playing a basic tumbao, go get Carlos Henriquez master class here:

http://www.mikesmasterclasses.com/in...emart&Itemid=2

He covers more than that but shows the relationship between afro-cuban and swing as part of playing the bass. There's lots of good stuff in that lecture. He doesn't cover playing a Brazilian Surdo bassline tho.

[DGbass70]

Oskar Cartaya
Humberto Ramirez
Giovanni Hidalgo
Nestor Torres
Look them up they each have recordings of their own or in collaborations,also there's quite a few things on Y.T.

[Joebone]

For "latinized" standards, Jerry Gonzales/Fort Apache, Pancho Sanchez, and lots of old Dizzy Gillespie.

Thrilled to see all of the other great recommendations on this thread. If you check out Brazil, you must look for stuff featuring Nico Assumpciao. He passed years ago, but was way ahead of his time in doing a fascinating fusion of jazz/funk/folklorical elements. Do a youtube search, and particularly look for his duo or trio work with Joao Bosco. Simply the best!

For Cuba, NG La Banda, Dan Den and Irakere merit your review, but there is a whole lot more.

[Darrenmcbass]

Really inspiring suggestions , almost overwhelming! Many thanks to you all

[CrewsControl]

Don't forget Cal Tjader, Mongo Santamaria, Willie Bobo.

[Bruce Lindfield]

Originally Posted by Joebone

For "latinized" standards, Jerry Gonzales/Fort Apache, .

I just said that - about 2 posts before you!

[shwashwa]

slightly off topic, but i see the word descarga in the title of alot of the old latin stuff (latin jam session volumes) i see that translate it means to disgharge, so i guess its one of those things thats lost in translation. what does it mean in the title of a latin tune? ie. descarga cubana, or descarga for tito?

[CrewsControl]

It has a lot of meanings. In this case it means a cuban jazz jam session you can dance to. It can also mean "download" or "take out."

[RBrownBass]

Originally Posted by shwashwa

slightly off topic, but i see the word descarga in the title of alot of the old latin stuff (latin jam session volumes) i see that translate it means to disgharge

I've had "Latin" gigs like that

[waveofthinking]

Originally Posted by Ed Fuqua

New Latin Jazz - YouTube - Nilson Matta
Joe Locke & Trio Da Paz "Dona Maria" - YouTube - more Nilsojn
Brian Lynch/Eddie Palmieri: The Palmieri Effect - YouTube - Brian Lynch & Eddie Palmieri
Claudio Roditi - Gemini Man - YouTube - Claudio Roditi
Conrad Herwig - Miles Mode - YouTube - Conrad Herwig
"Invitation" ~ Pucho Brown & The Latin Soul Brothers - YouTube Pucho Brown and the Latin Jazz Soul Brothers

Thanks for links ed, I'm really enjoying them .

[tkozal]

My current situation has me playing a lot of Bossa (on EUB and BG), and this guy has become a big influence: Sebastiao "Tiao" Neto. I have seen pics of him in the 60's with Getz and Jobim with a DB, but the 80's stuff on Youtube has him with a BG. Played with Jobim for decades. I have learned a lot about the bossa/samba/brasil thing from listening to him.

I am transcribing this one (not just the bass line):

Antonio Carlos Jobim - Samba Do Aviáo - YouTube

I love this tune, and all of this stuff "O Boto" will be next, another tune with no charts in America

(Ohh, and Paula Morelenbaum, the girl in black will be at Birdland for a week later this month, with Marcus Valle)

[hdiddy]

Funny, all this mention of latin jazzers, and no mention El Rey: Tito Puente. Just pick any album and they're all pretty incredible. "Live at Birdland" really stands out as one of my favorite albums. There's also the one he did with Maynard Ferguson that covers a bunch of jazz standards & bebop.

TitoPuente&MF: Special Delivery, BeBop - YouTube
Probably one of those rare times you could actually dance to bebop.

You can get his greatest hits as a 3 CD set and call it a day. And then there's all those other incredible bands and singers: El Gran Combo, Celia Cruz, Beny More, etc. etc.

As for brazilian... I never understood any diff between Bossa bass and samba bass. Bossa is just a slow samba to me - still based on the surdo pattern. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong.

With the surdo pattern, the drummers tend to mute the drum just before striking it, where the muting itself is percussive/rhythmic. I like to ghost notes on the bass just to mimic the same effect. There's lots of How-To videos on playing the Surdo out there, just watch a couple of them to understand how that's done. It's just a blip between heartbeats.
Aula Surdo Básico 1/ Noções Básica Para Surdo/ Lesson 1 Basic Deaf / Deaf Basics - YouTube

We've brought up Gal Costa's "canta Tom Jobim" before on the forum. Incredible album - a must have.
chega de saudade - Gal Costa - YouTube

Anyways, watch Nilson Matta - he sticks really close to that bass drum.
Samba Do Veloso - Nilson Matta and Roni Ben-Hur - YouTube

[tkozal]

Yes, I tell people all the time, speed up that Bossa, it becomes a samba. But a slow Bossa can be many different beasts

[Don Higdon]

Originally Posted by hdiddy

Anyways, watch Nilson Matta - he sticks really close to that bass drum.
Samba Do Veloso - Nilson Matta and Roni Ben-Hur - YouTube

I heard Nilson do an entire set playing in two with Vic Juris. One of the funkiest sets I've ever heard.

[pbass888]

Thiago espirito santo (Fretless and upright bass player )... Album called the jazz tradition. Great bass lines and solos for a young lion with a Brazilian bass lineage.

[darrenmccarthy]

Originally Posted by pbass888

Thiago espirito santo (Fretless and upright bass player )... Album called the jazz tradition. Great bass lines and solos for a young lion with a Brazilian bass lineage.

Whoa! KILLING!!