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06-30-2009, 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Paul Warburton  Are you a "master" of shoe tying? | I wear loafers...
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06-30-2009, 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Ed Fuqua I wear loafers... | Dummy.
And if you come in with that ole " Wood eye!" = " Hair lip!" joke, it's all over between us.
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06-30-2009, 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Paul Warburton Dummy.
And if you come in with that ole " Wood eye!" = " Hair lip!" joke, it's all over between us. | Better all over between us than all over us!
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06-30-2009, 04:06 PM
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The above three exchanges are an example of how not to use our brains.
Thank you very much.
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07-01-2009, 04:22 AM
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Originally Posted by TroyK but to quote another great source: at a point "Don't think, Meat, just pitch. Thinking only hurts the team." | I do agree with the sentiment, but I was listening to "Americana" on the radio the other day and there was a comment on how Baseball is basically a game played in the mind and is about coming to terms with failure...?
Apparently, even the best players failed in doing what they were attempting more times than they succeeded, if you look at their career statistics!
Whereas, hopefully in Jazz it is not so weighted against you!! 
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07-01-2009, 09:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Ed Fuqua TROIKA - I think I saw a different show, but O'Sacks was on this one too. The one I saw may have been called MUSIC AND THE INTELLECT or MUSIC AND THE BRAIN or some such. And maybe it was a NOVA? Sorry for going to the bridge too soon... | You're likely right. John Stewart mentioned it at the end of the Daily Show segment and I looked for it on the PBS site, but never quite found it. I'll look again with your titles.
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07-01-2009, 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Bruce Lindfield I do agree with the sentiment, but I was listening to "Americana" on the radio the other day and there was a comment on how Baseball is basically a game played in the mind and is about coming to terms with failure...?
Apparently, even the best players failed in doing what they were attempting more times than they succeeded, if you look at their career statistics!
Whereas, hopefully in Jazz it is not so weighted against you!! | True that. A "good" batting average in baseball is .333 or so, meaning you fail about 2/3 of the time. That would be considered sloppy on the bandstand. But, the context for that Bull Durham quote was a young arrogant pitcher who was too in his head to pitch (and had the catcher to tell him what to do). While not exactly applicable to jazz, I find that I need to immerse myself in theory and practice and then try to turn it off at the gig and trust that it's in there. Not 100%, but I did start playing better once I stopped engineering my lines and solos.
Just a thought.
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07-17-2009, 06:38 PM
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07-17-2009, 07:53 PM
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I just finished it a couple of days ago. Didn't intend to, but read it in one sitting. All musicians, especially utes should read it! http://www.amazon.com/Music-Lesson-S...7881557&sr=8-1
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07-19-2009, 02:54 AM
|  | Official Forum Flunkee | | Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: San Francisco, CA | | | Back to the original post: Keeping in mind about all this mind before matter kinda biz, it's just as equally important to be able to sing and hear lines internally as well. Listening is critical since you need to hear first before so you can expand your imagination. Singing the line is tasking yourself to create and experiment with creating it. By what Sachs says, it's my guess that singing any line is probably just as strong as actually playing it. I like to listen to recordings, pause the music when I run into a line I really like and trying to repeat it by singing it and somehow internalize it. The practicing can come later (if I just happen to remember to). I'll do that at gigs too. If so-and-so plays a great line, I will try to repeat it under my breath and pray there is some sort of retention.
I think it's too true when someone says playing music (esp Jazz) is akin to learning a new language. If you think back to how you learned to speak as a child, it might give you some insight into other learning nuances that will expedite the process of learning. At least it does for me. For myself, this is mostly through repetition of other people; repeating my own ideas in various conversations; saying the wrong things and correcting myself; and just simply opening my mouth and start jabbering while having a certain train of thought in my head.
Thankfully, I dont' think I sound like a total idiot when I talk so hopefully the music comes out in some sense of coherence. |
07-19-2009, 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by TroyK True that. A "good" batting average in baseball is .333 or so, meaning you fail about 2/3 of the time. That would be considered sloppy on the bandstand. But, the context for that Bull Durham quote was a young arrogant pitcher who was too in his head to pitch (and had the catcher to tell him what to do). While not exactly applicable to jazz, I find that I need to immerse myself in theory and practice and then try to turn it off at the gig and trust that it's in there. Not 100%, but I did start playing better once I stopped engineering my lines and solos.
Just a thought. | Actually, no. You don't "fail" if you reach a base, and batting average doesn't take into account walks. So a good on-base percentage would be closer to .400. Well, you still fail 6/10 of the time. 
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