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11-25-2008, 09:54 AM
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What are some of your favorite lesser known standards? I've been getting in to a lot of those ballads that don't seem to be played very often(everything happens to me, and spring can really hang you up the most arent too obscure but no one has ever called them on me, and I also just found out about ballad of the sad young men which does seem to be one that people havent heard of.) So anyways ballad or not what are your favorites that people haven't usually heard of?
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11-25-2008, 10:21 AM
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11-25-2008, 10:24 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Brooklyn, NY | | | Well it's kind of an oxymoron "obscure standards" but I get your point. I always liked "Haunted Heart" a standard that doesn't get played too much. Look into recordings from the 30's, there's a lot of stuff that kind of fell through the cracks and never ended up getting picked up by the younger players. Sonny Rollins was great at finding tunes like that and really turning them into something beautiful. |
11-25-2008, 10:29 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Chicago | | | ...and it is regional
I really dig Swingin at the Haven and nobody plays it here but apparently it is fairly common in Atlanta. I'm also fond of Bernie's Tune. Not many cats play 500 Miles High here either. Nature Boy is another favorite. Lots of singers do it but not many instrumentalists. |
11-25-2008, 10:47 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: toronto canada | | | we kiss in the shadows-from the king and I
You don't know me-hank williams as done by lenny breau
like fingers said there are so many tunes that won't get called in Toronto that will get called in Boston etc that I think you just need to know as many as possible and have good enough ears to hear them out if you don't know them
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11-25-2008, 10:57 AM
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We hide from the light...
Great tune, Elvin did a nice version of it. Clay, what makes a tune obscure? Is it obscure if you don't know it or if I don't know it?
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11-25-2008, 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Ed Fuqua  We kiss in the shadow,
We hide from the light... | Ahmad Jamal, Israel Crosby, Vernell Fournier, "Live at the Alhambra." One of the handful of vinyl records I've actually burned to CD and well worth it if you find it.
My vote of "obscure standard" would be Jobim's "If You Never Come To Me." So simple, so elegant: The chords go down by half-steps while the melody goes up by half-steps. Why didn't I think of that?
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11-25-2008, 11:57 AM
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Beatrice
Black and Tan Fantasy
...just the first few that come to mind... good points about "what makes a tune obscure?" I guess I'm thinking, "great tunes I've always loved but nobody ever calls, and if I call them, nobody knows them." |
11-25-2008, 12:10 PM
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Detour Ahead
Toe-Jam Blues
I made the last one up.
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11-25-2008, 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by larry I made the last one up. | Now, THAT'S obscure....
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11-25-2008, 12:50 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: NYC, Astoria | | | I know this isn't really a standard, but I love Monk's version of "There's Danger In Your Eyes, Cherie", on "Thelonious Alone In San Francisco"... come to think of it, that's the only version I know. |
11-25-2008, 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by MingusAmongUs Stablemates
Beatrice
Black and Tan Fantasy
...just the first few that come to mind... good points about "what makes a tune obscure?" I guess I'm thinking, "great tunes I've always loved but nobody ever calls, and if I call them, nobody knows them." | Beatrice is quite popular in Ottawa. Great tune. |
11-25-2008, 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Phil Rowan ... but I love Monk's version of "There's Danger In Your Eyes, Cherie", on "Thelonious Alone In San Francisco"... | And that's kind of the point too (and thanks for bringing this up, Phil) - what Sonny and Monk and alla those cats were doing was playing anything and everything that struck their ear in a certain way. In discussions we've had here in the past about playing contemporary music in a primarily acoustic small group approach, my point has been that it's not about the musician choosing what to play so much as the music choosing the musician to play it...
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11-25-2008, 01:11 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Chicago | | | I've always liked "Emily". Don't play it near as much as I'd like. That, and "Waltz For Debby". Don't know that either would be considered obscure.
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11-25-2008, 01:19 PM
| | | I suggest "Armageddon" by Wayne Shorter or "502 blues"...
Both are great tunes to play...for me are two of the best tune ever written...
I like also "Lotus Blossom" but is very hard to find a leadsheet...but could be an excellet exercise of transcription...  |
11-25-2008, 01:19 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: NYC, Astoria | | | Heh, I had no idea I was making such a point. While we're on it, though, another one I really dig is Miles' version of "Diane", on "Steamin'...".
Another thing that's cool is, for instance, on Paul Motian's "On B'way, Vol. 2".. they do "Body And Soul". Okay, very standard tune.. except they play the verse in the beginning. The first time I heard that version, it was like I'd never heard "Body And Soul" before. |
11-25-2008, 02:02 PM
|  | Registered User | | Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Chicago, IL | | | Not too obscure but I really like,
You Must Believe in Spring
Touch of your Lips
I'm an Old Cowhand (It seems like Sonny Rollins can make anything sound good)
Morning
Two of my favorite ballads are Moonlight in Vermont and I want to Talk About You, even though I would not call them obscure |
11-25-2008, 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by mark0 I suggest "Armageddon" by Wayne Shorter or "502 blues"...
Both are great tunes to play...for me are two of the best tune ever written...
I like also "Lotus Blossom" but is very hard to find a leadsheet...but could be an excellet exercise of transcription... | Lotus Blossom -- great one. One of about a half dozen tunes I've managed to work out on piano. |
11-25-2008, 02:19 PM
| | | | -My One and Only Love
-It Could Happen To You
...though I don't know how obscure these would be, "obscure standards" being a bit of an oxymoron and all...
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11-25-2008, 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by joel kelsey Morning | I second that! I love that song and Clare Fisher is one of my anomaly heros; a white man, named "Clare" from Michigan who wrote GREAT Cuban music. Love it.
I also really like:
Hank Mobley's - "A Baptist Beat"
Lee Morgan's - "Totem Pole" and "Yes I Can, No You Can't"
George Cables - "Mr. Baggy Pants"
Mingus's - "Moanin'" (nothing wrong with Bobby Timmons's song either, but hardly obscure.)
Joe Gordon's - "Terra Firma Irma"
Used to play in a band that was dedicated to Jazz Messengers tunes too:
"Arabia", "One By One", "Lester Left Town"
Good stuff.
Ballads? Well I named my dog "Nancy With the Laughing Face"...and I make people call her that.
"A Sleepin' Bee"
So many good tunes...
EDIT 1: I don't know why there's a downy thumb at the top of my post. I was screwing around with the arrow keys and it showed up and I couldnt' get it to go away. All good vibes intended.
EDIT 2: I'm ashamed of myself for not mentioning Butch Warren's compositions. My favorite being "Eric Walks".The other's on record are "The Backbone", "Lost" and "The Way I Feel".
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