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Old 03-08-2012, 01:06 PM
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Play along discs?

What are your favorite play along discs? I'm looking to get some new ones that come with charts...
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Are you familiar with the Jamey Aebersold catalog? (Jamey Aebersold Jazz) A lot to choose from there.
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All of them! Jamey Aebersold or Hal/Leonard jazz play alongs are great! I use them every day!!! Fantastic to transcribe from them too! Sonny, Miles, Mingus etc. You also find yourself admiring bass players you never heard of prior to purchasing a play along, like Boris Kozlov on the Hal/Leonard Charles Mingus book. Listen to Slippers! Oh my!

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What are your favorite play along discs? I'm looking to get some new ones that come with charts...
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Maybe a 'guilty pleasure' but I liked the Steely Dan book by Hal Leonard.

All quite funky tunes and makes a change from swing/latin feels.
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All of them! Jamey Aebersold or Hal/Leonard jazz play alongs are great! I use them every day!!! Fantastic to transcribe from them too! Sonny, Miles, Mingus etc. You also find yourself admiring bass players you never heard of prior to purchasing a play along, like Boris Kozlov on the Hal/Leonard Charles Mingus book. Listen to Slippers! Oh my!
I've heard of Kozlov, and seen him a few times with Mingus' bass! He's fantastic!
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My favorite playalong is UNDERCURRENT...
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ah, good one Ed.
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My favorite playalong is UNDERCURRENT...
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I'm surprised more drummers don't grab duo rekkids to play along with, there are so many great ones out there.
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Jamey Aebersold or Hal/Leonard jazz play alongs are great!
The Aebersold play alongs include educational material and they offer transcribed bass lines by great bassists like Rufus Reid. The Hal Leonard versions lack these components, but they do have nice sounding recordings with a mix of rhythm section styles and I like that the melody line is included. Lately I've been gravitating towards the Hal Leonard versions.

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Old 03-10-2012, 05:46 AM
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I have not bought any tracks from them yet but playjazznow.com looks interesting.

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My favorite playalong is UNDERCURRENT...
What's Undercurrent?
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I'm surprised more drummers don't grab duo rekkids to play along with, there are so many great ones out there.
Right. That reminds me, I have to burn Stan Getz w/ the Oscar Peterson Trio for a fellow drummer who's trying to get on his feet with the whole jazz drumming thing (he's a percussion masters student, but he's coming along well with his jazz playing).
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What's Undercurrent?
What's Google?

Scroll down a bit....
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Maybe a 'guilty pleasure' but I liked the Steely Dan book by Hal Leonard.

All quite funky tunes and makes a change from swing/latin feels.
For a long time "the Dan" was a secret guilty pleasure. But now they're somehow hip, so I'm out of the closet.

Cheese-tasic!
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Old 03-11-2012, 03:59 PM
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Scroll down a bit....
Funny! I tried google but got too many definitions for the flow of water below the surface of a body of water.

Sounds like that may be a sweet album to listen to...thanks Ed.
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I own hundreds of play-alongs from Aebersole, Leonard, Alfred, Belwin, and a few others, but I think the standouts are the relative few from Alfred's Jazz Play-Along for Rhythm Section series, particularly for a bassist, because: (1) they include play-along recordings that are complete except with the bass entirely removed. You don't just diminish the bass with your balance control; (2) the tunes don't just have a vanilla head played by the soloist followed by a verse of only the rhythm section--the soloist also takes a real improvised solo, too; and (3) they still contain some purely rhythm-section measures for you to solo in, if you want. The Alfred Jazz Play-Alongs for Rhythm Section do not have written out bass lines, but they do have the melody written in bass clef.

And the different Alfred Approaching the Standards series contains helpful notes to each player for each of the eight tunes included. Being a bass player of sorts, I bought this Conductor/Rhythm Section version of this Volume. The book contains an actual suggested bass line for the bassist, which is the bass line used on the accompanying CD. The CD itself contains an excellent ensemble and there are two versions for each tune: A Jazz demo track so you can hear the full ensemble's treatment of each tune, and a "play-along" track that has the soloists removed. For example, the "I Got Rhythm" jazz demo track has two soloists: a trumpet and a trombone who both improvise solos after the trumpet plays the head. The play-along track was a disappointment because since I got the Approaching the Standards for Conductor/Rhythm Section series and I would have thought that the CD would have versions of the tune with each rhythm section instrument removed, like Alfred's Jazz Play-Along for Rhythm Section series that I described in the first paragraph, above. Not so. The piano, bass, and drums are just as audible on the play-along track as they are on the demo track, and the play-along is in full stereo--it does almost no good at all to pan the balance control left or right--all of the rhythm section instruments are clearly heard in both channels.

HOWEVER, if you use an audio editor like Audacity, you can make your own bass play-along from the jazz demo track here. (Or from any other performance CD, for that matter.) For example, I used Audacity's Equalization feature to drop out almost all the sound below 131 Hz. The result in many cases was a decent-sounding play-along with real improvised solos to play behind. But on some tunes that particularly emphasize the bass—"Cantelope Island" or "So What," for examples—this procedure doesn't minimize the bass so well.
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What's Undercurrent?
If I may be so bold, it's possible that Mr. Fuqua's point is that play-along records are mighty darn swell but no-where near as good as grabbing Kind of Blue, turning the 'bass' knob on your stereo all the way down, and joining the Miles Davis Sextet circa 1959.

I learned so much from playing with James Cobb and with Louis Hayes. I've never met either man but I am truly in their debt.

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The whole "play-along records" thing works a bunch better learning to solo than to walk. I use them when I practice guitar. It's not like you can turn down the "Dexter Gordon" knob on your stereo and what would be the point of stepping on LTD? In that situation the Jazz Karaoke thing is some help.
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Old 03-18-2012, 09:40 PM
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If I may be so bold, it's possible that Mr. Fuqua's point is that play-along records are mighty darn swell but no-where near as good as grabbing Kind of Blue, turning the 'bass' knob on your stereo all the way down, and joining the Miles Davis Sextet circa 1959.

I learned so much from playing with James Cobb and with Louis Hayes. I've never met either man but I am truly in their debt.

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The whole "play-along records" thing works a bunch better learning to solo than to walk. I use them when I practice guitar. It's not like you can turn down the "Dexter Gordon" knob on your stereo and what would be the point of stepping on LTD? In that situation the Jazz Karaoke thing is some help.
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I'm old enough to remember when some albums were recorded with certain instruments on one side only and others on the other side only, but never thought to take advantage of this in practice. Thanks so much.

My Kind of Blue morphed from cassette to MP3 a few years back, but if I'd known the vinyl could be balanced to eliminate the bass (turning down the "bass" knob doesn't really do it- I still get PC in my speakers), I'd have found it somewhere a long time ago.
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Old 03-19-2012, 08:22 AM
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Hey Sam'l. Kinda, but also more that there are rekkids out there where cats are actually hitting, but don't have your instrument in the mix. UNDERCURRENT is one, POWER OF THREE etc.
But yeah, I did plenty of what you're talking about. especially in trying to learn to play tempos, Johnny Griffin's SMOKING SESSION...
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