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Old 01-14-2008, 06:05 PM
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I know mine were really pretty low for a while and I raised them up and have slowly been moving them up. Now I'm to a point where I'm pretty happy with what I've got. If you've never had them up a little just try moving your action up some and see if you like it. I thought I got a lot more sound and and a better sound and it hasn't really slowed me down much just by moving them up to what I like to think of as a healthy medium. I'm thinking I might add another mm and try that out for a week and see if I like it.
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Old 01-14-2008, 09:38 PM
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Actually, I was implying that you can indeed play fast on super high action once you get used to the timing involved between you're two hands.
I understand-- just don't see how you can be just as fast with high string height as with low. I guess it depends upon what one means by "fast."
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I understand-- just don't see how you can be just as fast with high string height as with low. I guess it depends upon what one means by "fast."
I suppose if one plays on the lighter side with stiffer strings that kinda stay put they could play faster than someone who uses less stiff strings and digs in more. Stiffness increases as string height goes up ergo...
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Old 01-15-2008, 06:56 AM
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I suppose if one plays on the lighter side with stiffer strings that kinda stay put they could play faster than someone who uses less stiff strings and digs in more. Stiffness increases as string height goes up ergo...
Indeed. A large factor seems to be how much of one's sound relies upon digging in. To be sure, this is a multidimensional issue.
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Old 01-15-2008, 10:42 AM
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to the OP -- mike -- the myspace sounds good. keep it up.
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Old 01-17-2008, 09:13 PM
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i recently lowered the action on my bass by quite a bit. i have not measured the distances on the strings before or after so i dont know the heights. the bass was set up by upton for bluegrass. this is my first bass so i had nothing to compare it to, but after about 4 months of having the bass my left elbow became sore enough that i could not play or even lift a beer without pain. i dont have a teacher so my technique is undoubtabley bad not the set up. after about 2 months of not playing it i decided to lower the action and give it another try. to my ears the bass is louder and of course much easier to play not to mention pain free. upon reading the other posts having higher action equalls more volume, was wondering how lowering my action has seemed to increase the volume on my bass. i was afraid to mess with the action at all since it had been professonally set up, but it was just to hard to play and actually was considering selling my bass. now i am really enjoying playing and to my ears sounds great. i noticed everyone has a little higher string height on the E side and a little lower on the G side. i have not measured, but on the bridge adjusters the E side looks lower that the G. should i think about bumping it up a bit or just play and enjoy.
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Old 01-18-2008, 01:02 PM
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Hey Bass Dan,
I can be mistaken, but maybe it seems louder because you hadn't really played it much at all in 2 months until you lowered them. Or maybe it was technique and having higher action prevented you from playing with fluidity in the hands and arms that is neccessary to get full sound on any string height, especially the really high string heights.
Having lower action is definitely easier (for me atleast) to getting into the feeling of being loose and fluid. Then the trick is to apply that feeling of playing as you raise the strings. You should notice the sound will be louder and fuller, but as I am learning through everybody's most appreciated posts, do not put it higher than you are comfortable, and don't be intimidated by bassists that have higher action. We're talking about 2 different people, with different hands, with different basses, and possibly different strings. All these have their affects on the overall sound of the instrument as well as to the string heights neccessary for personal comfort, personal taste in tone from particular string heights, etc.
As for set-ups, Upton is supposed to do good set-ups, especially for bluegrass. So you're good for that. But even after a bass is set-up professionally, you shouldn't be affraid to adjust the action yourself to suit your playing style and comfort, or especially when the weather around you is changing. I always have to bring my strings up half a turn or more in the winter when the wood dries from indoor heating, and lower in the summer when it gets really humid. the 2 wheels should be adjusted the same ammount of turns each. Not one more than the other. If you don't get any buzzes on the E string or on any string for that matter, than don't worry about it. The E probably really is higher than the other strings if you look at the bridge relation to the fingerboard arc. If you have a buzz, don't adjust one wheel higher than the other, instead take your bass to a professional luthier and get the bridge reshaped. Or maybe the problem can be in the fingerboard, or in a combination of both. At that point, take your bass to the luthier and let them do their work. Just because you got a bass set-up today, in a year or too you might have to take it to the luthier to get it set-up again. Wood moves, fingerboards wear out, etc.
I've been told that gut strings (a bluegrass or slap bassist choice of string usually) need more height to allow the strings to fully vibrate as well as to get the neccessary volume in playing. This is apparently because gut strings are apparently really soft on the hands and low on tension. That is to say that a bass with LOWER ACTION but high tension STEEL strings can feel more difficult to play than a bass with HIGHER ACTION but significantly lower tension strings like GUT STRINGS, or synthetic core strings.
As for technique, I think it's important you find a teacher, and even if you take a lesson once a month or so. It's extremely important to have some guidance to correct bad habits before they develop into physical problems.
I hope this all helps, and I thank everybody for their help on the matter. If anyone has anything more to add, you are always welcome.
Mike
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Old 01-19-2008, 07:42 AM
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thanks mike, i dont have any buzzes anywhere so i guess i will leave it alone. sometimes reading these forums i feel the need to change things to get the most out of my bass. the reality is its usually in the hands not the equiptment. sometimes i forget that and get caught up and start buying stuff instead of practicing. i am going to keep my action where it is for now and bump it up slowly as time goes on. thanks for the advise and encouragement.
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