yet another fingering question

**Matthew Tucker** · #1 05-23-2006, 04:48 PM

I don't have a teacher for the moment. You guys are it! Me wondering how you would finger this jazz snippet for speed and accuracy?

A Bb B C B Bb A C .. Bb G .. F

Starting on the G string of course.

Both the following fingerings land me on 1 crossing to the A string with 2, then shift to Bb which is OK but it feels like there should be a better way

1-124-4212-104
12-121-212-104

this next one ends me in 1/2 position for the end but the first 24242 bit feels odd.

24-242-424104

or I could start out in low TP on the D string ... feels easier to do quickly, but there's that big shift to grab a nice F at the end

How would you do it?

TomGale · #2 05-25-2006, 08:41 PM

A Bb B C B Bb A C .. Bb G .. F

Starting on the G string of course.

Using some left hand pivoting - if you have had some open hand experience -
1,2,3,4,3,2,1,4,2,0,2
Then go as fast as you want to, mate!
Tom
ASODB.com

**Matthew Tucker** · #3 05-26-2006, 04:22 AM

He he ... why not? Forgot about 3! Tis possible, now I go and practice. Thanks

Johnny L · #4 05-26-2006, 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by TomGale

Using some left hand pivoting - if you have had some open hand experience -
1,2,3,4...

Neat, and makes sense.

Pivoting in "second position" to get A and C on th G string is all the rage already. Adding the 3rd finger to get the B too really isn't asking the world to stop.

**Matthew Tucker** · #5 05-26-2006, 07:54 AM

Well I had a go and didn't find it that easy to bring the third finger in and keep good intonation :-( - 3 is always flat.

After a bit of experimenting my best result so far is shifting 12-242-21.

Johnny L · #6 05-26-2006, 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Matthew Tucker

...shifting 12-242-21.

Personally I'd woodshed it 1-1-2-4-4-2-1 but that's just me

TomGale · #7 05-26-2006, 09:44 AM

3rd finger flat? Probably not fully developed but don't give up yet.
In the mean time, if you want to stick to closed hand, how 'bout;
1-1242-21 ? I always try to avoid a 4 to 4 shift as too awkward.
'Day, mate!!

jallenbass · #8 05-26-2006, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by TomGale

I always try to avoid a 4 to 4 shift as too awkward.

I would give the same advice that you gave for using the 3rd finger. The 4 to 4 shift is quite easy if you spend an hour or 2 working it out.

TomGale · #9 05-26-2006, 10:48 AM

I agree - it is easy to use the 4-4 but I find using the 1st and 2nd fingers feels more melodic to me. I try to use 4 only on passing tones and save the 2nd for the "money notes" - 1st if the 2nd isn't available.
Me Again....
P.S. Mark Morton had some interesting things to say on fingerings at the ASODB.com site. I think it's still free for dowloading, if you want to take a look.

Johnny L · #10 05-26-2006, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by TomGale

I agree - it is easy to use the 4-4 but I find using the 1st and 2nd fingers feels more melodic to me.

In general yes I can follow your reasoning, as often we don't have the thumb behind the 4th finger for vibrato and such.

**Matthew Tucker** · #11 05-26-2006, 03:38 PM

yeah ... G'day Tom ...

... and ahm thankin' y'aall fer the purty advice you bin givin' me!

woodshedding it is.

cheers

Matthew

TomGale · #12 05-27-2006, 08:49 AM

Krykie Mate! Go for it!
PS the info of some fingering thoghts at the ASODB.com site it under "Simandl Plus" - just click and read/or download (free)
G'day Mate!

TomGale · #13 05-30-2006, 08:31 AM

I remembered why I still prefer the 1-1242 - 21 pattern for the A Bb B C B Bb A assuming it starts on the beat and are 7 8th notes. It groups the note on the beat with the preparation or 'pick up' note to the beat within the same position - not separated by a shift
Ex: A.... Bb, B ..... C, B .... Bb, A. I think it's a more musical grouping of the notes
Tom Gale