About the Dragonetti and Larsson

EliMarcusBass · #1 08-23-2006, 04:25 AM

Can anyone give me some background on the Dragonetti Concerto and the Larsson Concertino, especially the first movement if possible? I seem to be able to play it but yet have very little knowledge of the background of these pieces and some details about their creation. Any information is helpful!

Thanks!

mcnaire2004 · #2 08-23-2006, 05:42 AM

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Originally Posted by EliMarcusBass

Can anyone give me some background on the Dragonetti Concerto and the Larsson Concertino, especially the first movement if possible? I seem to be able to play it but yet have very little knowledge of the background of these pieces and some details about their creation. Any information is helpful!

Thanks!

The Dragonetti concerto may or may not be written by Dragonetti himself. The concerto isn't the true Concerto No.1 (Dragonetti wrote 10 concerto's). So if it is in fact his work it would be No.11. Alot of people consider this to be the work of Edoouard Nanny as a tribute to Dragonetti. Another odd thing is that the official title of this concerto list, as composer: Dragonetty-(E. Nanny). When publishing tradition would say "edited: E. Nanny" After the word Dragonetti.

I don't know though. Maybe Dragonetti wrote this and forgot about it and it was found later.

reedo35 · #3 08-23-2006, 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by EliMarcusBass

I seem to be able to play it ...

What's that mean? What does your teacher say?

#4 08-23-2006, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by mcnaire2004

The Dragonetti concerto may or may not be written by Dragonetti himself. The concerto isn't the true Concerto No.1 (Dragonetti wrote 10 concerto's). So if it is in fact his work it would be No.11. Alot of people consider this to be the work of Edoouard Nanny as a tribute to Dragonetti. Another odd thing is that the official title of this concerto list, as composer: Dragonetty-(E. Nanny). When publishing tradition would say "edited: E. Nanny" After the word Dragonetti.

I don't know though. Maybe Dragonetti wrote this and forgot about it and it was found later.

The concerto was definitely not written by Dragonetti. There's no may or may not. If you compare Nanny's other concerto in E minor you'll find many similarities and if you compare Nanny's concerto in A major to Dragonetti's real concertos you'll see how different they are compositionally.

mcnaire2004 · #5 08-23-2006, 12:02 PM

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The concerto was definitely not written by Dragonetti. There's no may or may not. If you compare Nanny's other concerto in E minor you'll find many similarities and if you compare Nanny's concerto in A major to Dragonetti's real concertos you'll see how different they are compositionally.

I said may or may not because some people who have never looked in to it will fight me to the death over it and I just didn't feel like running up my post count fighting with them.

Mike Goodbar · #6 08-23-2006, 12:14 PM

Have any of Dragonetti's concerti survived intact? If so, I wonder why are they not part of the standard repertoire?

mcnaire2004 · #7 08-23-2006, 12:23 PM

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Have any of Dragonetti's concerti survived intact? If so, I wonder why are they not part of the standard repertoire?

All 10 of his concerto's are at the British Museum. I believe the Capuzzi is in the same folder along with a second unfinished Capuzzi concerto.

PaulCannon · #8 08-23-2006, 02:29 PM

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Have any of Dragonetti's concerti survived intact? If so, I wonder why are they not part of the standard repertoire?

Because they are terrible.

mcnaire2004 · #9 08-23-2006, 03:16 PM

I started a thread on this a while back. Dragonetti and Nanny

EliMarcusBass · #10 08-23-2006, 08:35 PM

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What's that mean? What does your teacher say?

Haha I was writing almost sarcastically as if I could play the piece well but yet I know nothing about it. Right now I have the first movement down easily and the 2nd and 3rd movements will be fine tuned soon but the 1st movement is the only one I am performing

Snakewood · #11 08-23-2006, 08:40 PM

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Because they are terrible.

lol so blunt.

c44dashbass · #12 08-23-2006, 10:22 PM

I find all the Dragonetti Concertos to be great with no rosin on my bow.

mcnaire2004 · #13 08-24-2006, 03:02 PM

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I find all the Dragonetti Concertos to be great with no rosin on my bow.

Yo, we get it from 1000 post of you not using rosin.

c44dashbass · #14 08-24-2006, 03:54 PM

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Yo, we get it from 1000 post of you not using rosin.

What's with the attitude?

Stingrayz · #15 08-24-2006, 04:30 PM

Wait.. so the concertos that are found on Youtube, the one of the 18 year old kid playing isnt actually dragonetti ? wow..( i dont mean thats the only one ever played.. i mean the one that guy played)...

Can you find copies of dragonettis concertos ? or are they just in the museum ? I am just about the start The Double Bass and dragonetti is sorta like my "hero" so to speak..

#16 08-25-2006, 09:58 PM

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I said may or may not because some people who have never looked in to it will fight me to the death over it and I just didn't feel like running up my post count fighting with them.

I don't really understand why you would want to spread wrong information.

mcnaire2004 · #17 08-26-2006, 10:18 AM

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I don't really understand why you would want to spread wrong information.

I didn't spread wrong information. Those who look at the facts will most likely be set on the fact that Dragonetti didn't write the concerto. May or May Not is just to the fact that there is still not a 100% certany that Dragonetti didn't write the concerto. Though it is highly unlikely there is still a small chance. (I don't think that chance exists but it is still there).

Snakewood · #18 08-26-2006, 01:30 PM

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I didn't spread wrong information. Those who look at the facts will most likely be set on the fact that Dragonetti didn't write the concerto. May or May Not is just to the fact that there is still not a 100% certany that Dragonetti didn't write the concerto. Though it is highly unlikely there is still a small chance. (I don't think that chance exists but it is still there).

Well, if Dragonetti didn't actually compose it I'm sure the publisher's would have paid a little bit more attention to historical detail. Afterall it says DRAGONETTI in huge print on the cover of every international publishing edition. I don't know of any actual evidence that shows that he did not compose the concerto. Unless you contact Nanny's great great grandchildren and ask them if they wanna snoop around the attic to perhaps find an original of the piece...then i dunno. But as far as the bass world is concerned: It is the Dragonetti concerto period. Not the Nanny Concerto.

kontrabass · #19 08-26-2006, 01:49 PM

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Well, if Dragonetti didn't actually compose it I'm sure the publisher's would have paid a little bit more attention to historical detail.

That is probably why Nanny used Dragonetti's name on the concerto: to fool publishers and to up sales.

Call me a realist, but until there is tangible evidence (not just Dragonetti's name at the top of the sheet music) that Dragonetti himself wrote it, I will continue believing that it is a piece that Nanny wrote.

I may call it the Dragonetti concerto to be sociable, though...

Snakewood · #20 08-26-2006, 02:18 PM

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That is probably why Nanny used Dragonetti's name on the concerto: to fool publishers and to up sales.

Call me a realist, but until there is tangible evidence (not just Dragonetti's name at the top of the sheet music) that Dragonetti himself wrote it, I will continue believing that it is a piece that Nanny wrote.

I may call it the Dragonetti concerto to be sociable, though...

hehe yes, but is there tangible evidence that he did not compose it?