Bottesini Elegy in D Major (orchestral tuning?)

[camCARV03]

Is there a Bottesini Elegy in D Major in Orchestral tuning. I know theres a bunch for solo tuning but I need orchestra tuning! I know Frank Proto edited one but I saw a sample pdf file and it looked like he left off a part.hmm. Any suggestions? Please list the editor if you do.
thanks

[sforzando6]

Here:

http://shop1.mailordercentral.com/le...p?number=MM211

[bpclark]

Or Here

http://shop1.mailordercentral.com/le...?number=SCH111

[sforzando6]

Originally Posted by bpclark

Or Here

http://shop1.mailordercentral.com/le...?number=SCH111

I have that. Is it the whole elegy? Because it's pretty short in the book.

[camCARV03]

My teacher has that pink "solos for the double bass player " book..... in most of the recordings/videos i've heard,the player goes up into the very high thumb position and near the end of the fingerboard...in the book..they take it down an octave or two and thats what i dont like about it. and is there a noticeable difference between the C and D Majors?
thanks again

[sforzando6]

Originally Posted by camCARV03

My teacher has that pink "solos for the double bass player " book..... in most of the recordings/videos i've heard,the player goes up into the very high thumb position and near the end of the fingerboard...in the book..they take it down an octave or two and thats what i dont like about it. and is there a noticeable difference between the C and D Majors?

I don't have the one in C major, I just saw it on lemur. The only difference that I can tell for sure is that the one in C major has the piano part transposed down a whole step so that you don't have to play in solo tuning. Plus, I'm not sure that the one in the book is the whole piece, because it's only 38 measures. I've never seen the actual music for the whole piece, although I have heard a recording and it seems a lot longer, which is maybe because it's in a slow 12/8.

[PaulCannon]

The entire piece is 38 measures.

[sforzando6]

Oh.

[camCARV03]

i mean....is there a notable difference in sound between the two key signiatures? Does one sound darker/brighter?

[sforzando6]

Originally Posted by camCARV03

i mean....is there a notable difference in sound between the two key signiatures? Does one sound darker/brighter?

Generally, higher keys project more, which is the purpose of solo tuning.

[kontrabass]

I have used the "pink edition" back in the day (C Major)

I know of a lot of players who play with octaves of bottesini for various reasons.

The section that Camcar is talking about seems to be the only place where the octave is different from other editions.

If you can only get the "pink book," you can always just play it up an octave, which is what I did.

[camCARV03]

are there any recordings out there in orchestral tuning or even bettter, C Major?.......and also, does anyone HAVE the frank proto edited version? Apparently they have one in d Major and one in c Major, both orchestral tuning.

[PaulCannon]

The D major version is not in orchestral tuning. The piece isn't playable that way.

[sforzando6]

Originally Posted by kontrabass

The section that Camcar is talking about seems to be the only place where the octave is different from other editions.

Which is the part the octave is transposed down?

[Jon Simonoff]

measure 9 to 14 I think.

[fcleff]

Originally Posted by kontrabass

The section that Camcar is talking about seems to be the only place where the octave is different from other editions.

If you can only get the "pink book," you can always just play it up an octave, which is what I did.

I do this, too. I like the sound of the orchestral tuning (I don't use solo tuning much). Works for me.

[mcnaire2004]

Originally Posted by camCARV03

Is there a Bottesini Elegy in D Major in Orchestral tuning. I know theres a bunch for solo tuning but I need orchestra tuning! I know Frank Proto edited one but I saw a sample pdf file and it looked like he left off a part.hmm. Any suggestions? Please list the editor if you do.
thanks

Well Proto can't just show you the whole piece free online. Otherwise no one would buy it. Unless you need the piano part for orchestra tuning then you mite as well just buy the one for solo tuning. The bass part will be in C major (the exact same) either way.

[tbassist4]

Just buy a score in solo tuning and play it in orchestral, just read the notes as-is. It will be in C, the only difference is that in solo tuning the strings are a step higher, but the fingerings are the same no matter how you tune it - think about it.

You will, however, need to transpose the piano part, but that's very simple, it didn't take me very long to do so.

As far as projection goes, solo tuning was necessary in older times because the strings were made of different materials, were quieter, and didn't project very well. So tuning up was necessary to increase tension, and heighten pitch to project better. Now with our steel strings, it is less necessary.

Yes there will also be a difference in sound. It's unavoidable, it will be darker, but still presentable, haha more than that.

What you CANNOT do, is play the piece in D major on orchestral strings. The harmonics and range would NOT match up, and the piece would be literally unplayable.

Hope I've helped some...and to confirm, the piece is 38 measures. It's just slow and in 12 8, so it seems like it should be 76 measures in 6 8, or something to that effect. Anyways, good luck!

[camCARV03]

thank you very much. you were much help tbassist

[tbassist4]

No problem, I was very glad to help, this is one of my most favorite pieces .