hoffmeister concertos

Beto · #1 08-09-2006, 12:06 AM

I read in a old thread that he wrote like 8 concertos.
Are they original for bass? I know he has one for viola...

mcnaire2004 · #2 08-09-2006, 12:17 AM

my question is... are thay any good?

Jake · #3 08-09-2006, 12:21 AM

I am no expert on Hoffmeister, but I am pretty sure the bass stuff is originally written for bass. You might be able to find out a lot more about the composer by Googling his name.

Beto · #4 08-09-2006, 07:44 PM

I know that the viola concerto is a contest piece, and it is a really nice piece.

sibass89 · #5 08-11-2006, 01:02 PM

I hear that the Bass pieces aren't all that exciting, but I could be wrong. What really bothers me about that time period is that Sperger dozens of piles of crap while Haydn wrote a concerto for bass and everything but the exposition is lost.

kontrabass · #6 08-11-2006, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by sibass89

Haydn wrote a concerto for bass and everything but the exposition is lost.

Have you seen Haydn's exposition? I have been passively looking for it, but haven't found it yet.

sibass89 · #7 08-11-2006, 01:34 PM

I haven't seen it but I studied with a guy this summer who is very active in early music. I'll be more than happy to ask him about it than drop you a PM.

-Nick

Beto · #8 08-12-2006, 01:44 AM

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Originally Posted by sibass89

...Haydn wrote a concerto for bass and everything but the exposition is lost.

That would be something really cool. i don't know about you guys, but honestly, something I dislike about Double Bass, it's that the composers that wrote for it, are not that good. It would be great to see great composer's names on a recital poster, because in a violin recital you see that in the program names like Bach, Mozart, Bartok & other great masters, but in a double bass recital you see names like Eccles, Capuzzi, Bottesini and Proto, and people say things like "Who the hell are they" . I also dislike that the fact is that you can see those names only like in a transcription. I am not saying that works like the Bottesini Concerto is a bad work. but, COME ON!!! It could never be compared to the Dvorak cello concerto, or the Tchaicovsky Violin concerto, or even tha Bartok viola concerto.
A Mozart "Concerto for bass", A Schubert "Sonata for bass", some Stravinski pieces for Double bass, or something like a "Concerto for Double Bass and Orchestra" by Franz Joseph Haydn... it would be like a dream... That's, of course, my opinion...

mcnaire2004 · #9 08-12-2006, 12:09 PM

I listened to a profesional recording of the Dvorak. I think Bottesini's concerto's (not 2) could keep up with that.

Beto · #10 08-12-2006, 01:17 PM

But let's be reazonable: I think that you could never compare a Haydn Cello Concerto with a double bass Concerto like Capuzzi, Pichel, Cimador or even Dragonetti (in A Major). These are all good pieces, but it's not the same stuff!!

jdapodaca · #11 08-12-2006, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Beto

But let's be reazonable: I think that you could never compare a Haydn Cello Concerto with a double bass Concerto like Capuzzi, Pichel, Cimador or even Dragonetti (in A Major). These are all good pieces, but it's not the same stuff!!

maybe you should write a concerto for double bass.

that way our recital posters could say "Capuzzi, Bottesini, Beto..."

Beto · #12 08-13-2006, 12:59 AM

JAJAJAJAJA

c44dashbass · #13 08-13-2006, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by mcnaire2004

I listened to a profesional recording of the Dvorak. I think Bottesini's concerto's (not 2) could keep up with that.

Huh?

sibass89 · #14 08-13-2006, 10:39 AM

Beto, depending on how advanced a player you are, why don't you purchase Levinson's transcription of the Haydn C Major cello concerto and work on that. One of his doctoral students just played it at his recital and it was great. Great transcription and great piece.

cold elephant · #15 08-13-2006, 11:16 AM

For those who have never heard the Hoffmeister concerto in C there is a clip on Thierry Barbe's website with the man himself playing with string quartet accompaniment. (opens in realplayer) Personally I think that it's more interesting than the usual Vanhal/Dittersdorf stuff (not quite sure why though, probably because I havent heard it 20 times before) but it's still no Haydn concerto......oh well.

http://contrebasse.ifrance.com/contrebasse/hoffc.rm

#16 08-13-2006, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Beto

That would be something really cool. i don't know about you guys, but honestly, something I dislike about Double Bass, it's that the composers that wrote for it, are not that good. It would be great to see great composer's names on a recital poster, because in a violin recital you see that in the program names like Bach, Mozart, Bartok & other great masters, but in a double bass recital you see names like Eccles, Capuzzi, Bottesini and Proto, and people say things like "Who the hell are they" . I also dislike that the fact is that you can see those names only like in a transcription. I am not saying that works like the Bottesini Concerto is a bad work. but, COME ON!!! It could never be compared to the Dvorak cello concerto, or the Tchaicovsky Violin concerto, or even tha Bartok viola concerto.
A Mozart "Concerto for bass", A Schubert "Sonata for bass", some Stravinski pieces for Double bass, or something like a "Concerto for Double Bass and Orchestra" by Franz Joseph Haydn... it would be like a dream... That's, of course, my opinion...

Well...Mozart did write a piece for the double bass. Per Questa Bella Mano, an aria for bass, double bass, and orchestra which is, of course, wonderful. There's also some big names that wrote solo pieces for the double bass during the 20th/21st century including Henze, Xenakis, Schuller, Rouse, Hindemith, Rautavaara, Menotti, Persichetti, Wolff, and most recently Harbison.

Justin K-ski · #17 08-13-2006, 09:23 PM

You can't forget the awesome Tubin Concerto!!

Beto · #18 08-14-2006, 01:19 AM

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Originally Posted by p.nemeth

Well...Mozart did write a piece for the double bass. Per Questa Bella Mano, an aria for bass, double bass, and orchestra which is, of course, wonderful. There's also some big names that wrote solo pieces for the double bass during the 20th/21st century including Henze, Xenakis, Schuller, Rouse, Hindemith, Rautavaara, Menotti, Persichetti, Wolff, and most recently Harbison.

Well...that is good example, but you're not going to compare it with the last three violin Concertos by Mozart.

#19 08-14-2006, 07:36 AM

Not everything you play or listen to has to be a masterpiece.

Beto · #20 08-15-2006, 11:09 PM

But tell me if there's a REAL masterpiece...