Meyers interpretation of Bottesini no.2

[William5849]

I just heared the recording and he implaments his own cadenza and also takes the last measures after the cadenza ridiculusly fast.I wish i could play that well, i just got the concerto and have been working on it for all of 2 days. but im able to at least get through it. Is there any way to get a copy of edger meyers cadenza?

[mcnaire2004]

Nope, not at all. You'd have to go through him directly.

By the way, if you have been working on it for 2 days, I would not even worry about the cadenza. Even so, it is probably best that you just play one of the two standard versions of the cadenza, which are practically the same. Then, maybe once you have mastered it to your own standards, add some flair to your cadenza.

Edgar knows he doesn't play a "standard" excepted interpretation of the piece. Though, he knows the general excepted way very well. If you played it the way he does for him today in a masterclass he'd be quick to correct you and probably load you down with the history of Bottesini.

You should also check out Thomas Martins recording of Bottesini No. 2.

Good luck on the Bottesini

Note: when I say to wait till the Bottesini is to your standards, I also mean to your teacher as well. Your standards should always be higher than anyone's.

[thedbassist]

2nd best bassist? Isn't that kind of relative to how everybody else did on their audition and how many people tried out for All-State? Btw, I was in All-State too.

[Illfavor]

You should also check out Boguslaw Furtok's CD with it on it. It's got an okay interpretation of the No. 2, but probably the best No. 1 you will find, and a very spirited execution of the Passione Amorosa. It's really quite something.

[William5849]

well i knew that i got second because i was in the symphonic band. And the 2nd best 1st audition goes into the symphonic band, you probably did not see me.
Oh and by the way im thinking about auditioning for the patel youth conservatory, and i was wondering if the group was good.

[Golemanjazz27]

Well, if anyone does finds Meyer's interpretation of the Bottesini no. 2 just tell me cause I'd love to spend some time in the shed just working on that piece of art. But yes, like mcnaire stated you must become familiar with the standard interpretation of the piece. That you could probably find out from your teacher. Not just with the Bottesini concerto but most works of music require careful analysis and study beyond just notes and rhythms as different players will have different interpretations of the piece, just as the CSO's interpretation of Beethoven No. 5 will sound radically different than the NY Philharmonic version. You must go beyond the music and study different recordings of the piece. I have studied the concerto for awhile although I haven't looked at it in months since I've been busy with all my college auditions and gigs and that. But you must learn the "standard" way of playing it first. With any string instruments you must always learn the standards first, that is why we usually start off with Baroque pieces and Simandl when we first started. And yes, you should be wary of calling yourself the 2nd best high school bassist in the state. There are alot of great bassists in the state and also alot of great bassists who do poorly on auditions. Also keep in mind, that other bassists can be better than you, such as the 10-11 grade orchestra principal, the any of the players in the 11-12 orchestra who had a bad audition. Or maybe myself, since I was in All State Jazz Band and there are no chairs there or any comparison to other bassists in other ensembles. There is only one to a part and it's completely different from the classical ensembles (I'm sure it was way funner too). But you should not be so quick to jump to conclusions or make assumptions about other players. Keep an open mind and be modest. Remember, in the music world it is very easy to get fired for arrogance. And yes I saw you guys perform (I assume you were in 11-12th Symphonic Band, I was surprised when I saw a bass player onstage since there are no auditions for symphonic bands), and I especially loved Overture to Candide. I was in awe over the clarity in the woodwinds, they were amazing. But in my opinion, you should have opted for a lower position in Symphony Orchestra seeing as how their rendition of the Planets was so incredible. Basses figure far more prominently in the orchestra, and the parts are more challenging and demanding. Besides, it's the freaking Planets here, I love the suite, and they picked the best movements too. It doesn't get much cooler than the Col Legno 5/4 motif in Mars. And besides, no one can hear you in Symphonic Band. I heard you, but that's cause I was listening.

[thedbassist]

Originally Posted by Golemanjazz27

Well, if anyone does finds Meyer's interpretation of the Bottesini no. 2 just tell me cause I'd love to spend some time in the shed just working on that piece of art. But yes, like mcnaire stated you must become familiar with the standard interpretation of the piece. That you could probably find out from your teacher. Not just with the Bottesini concerto but most works of music require careful analysis and study beyond just notes and rhythms as different players will have different interpretations of the piece, just as the CSO's interpretation of Beethoven No. 5 will sound radically different than the NY Philharmonic version. You must go beyond the music and study different recordings of the piece. I have studied the concerto for awhile although I haven't looked at it in months since I've been busy with all my college auditions and gigs and that. But you must learn the "standard" way of playing it first. With any string instruments you must always learn the standards first, that is why we usually start off with Baroque pieces and Simandl when we first started. And yes, you should be wary of calling yourself the 2nd best high school bassist in the state. There are alot of great bassists in the state and also alot of great bassists who do poorly on auditions. Also keep in mind, that other bassists can be better than you, such as the 10-11 grade orchestra principal, the any of the players in the 11-12 orchestra who had a bad audition. Or maybe myself, since I was in All State Jazz Band and there are no chairs there or any comparison to other bassists in other ensembles. There is only one to a part and it's completely different from the classical ensembles (I'm sure it was way funner too). But you should not be so quick to jump to conclusions or make assumptions about other players. Keep an open mind and be modest. Remember, in the music world it is very easy to get fired for arrogance. And yes I saw you guys perform (I assume you were in 11-12th Symphonic Band, I was surprised when I saw a bass player onstage since there are no auditions for symphonic bands), and I especially loved Overture to Candide. I was in awe over the clarity in the woodwinds, they were amazing. But in my opinion, you should have opted for a lower position in Symphony Orchestra seeing as how their rendition of the Planets was so incredible. Basses figure far more prominently in the orchestra, and the parts are more challenging and demanding. Besides, it's the freaking Planets here, I love the suite, and they picked the best movements too. It doesn't get much cooler than the Col Legno 5/4 motif in Mars. And besides, no one can hear you in Symphonic Band. I heard you, but that's cause I was listening.

Yeah dude, you should have. Mars was amazing, and so was Saturn and Jupiter, not so much Ouvre ton Couer though.
So where are you auditioning Golemanjazz?
To William, you should definitely audition for TBYO, we played Shostakovich 5 this year. Also, we're premiering a piece by Augusta Read Thomas(who has composed for every major orchestra)-but don't get me wrong, I hate her music, its atonal-. Oh, and Dr. Wiedrich is amazing too, he did last year's All-State and conducts at USF. In case you were wondering, we have 3(including me) All-State bass players. One of them got 1st chair in All-State 9-10 and he's 2nd or 3rd chair(seating hasn't come out yet).

[William5849]

cool, cool, but i need to make sure that the dates do not conflict with my ISO rehersals on Tuesday nights.But, yeah i cant do the symphonic band next year because they wont let me in twice but ill be a senior next year so ill try to bring the competition.
oh by the way i had no choice as you noticed my name was on both programs and i received two plaques from both groups(i bought them both), but the second first audition is placed in the symphonic band but ill have to be in the orchestra next year.

[Golemanjazz27]

I auditioned for jazz programs though, I'm into classical stuff of course, if not I wouldn't be here talking about concertos, but I auditioned for jazz programs at New York University and Frost School of Music already. I have auditions for Berklee College of Music and University of North Florida coming up. And I'm going to send an audition tape to University of North Texas. I would have applied to Manhattan School and Eastman but I missed the deadlines. If I have any advice when doing college stuff be wary of deadlines cause a lot of conservatory schools have deadlines in November and December so pay close attention. I learned that the hard way.

[thedbassist]

Rehearsals are on Mondays and concerts are on Sunday afternoons usually btw.