Underrated Orchestral Repertoire

Snakewood · #1 01-22-2006, 01:36 PM

For me it has to be Tchaikovsky's 1st Symphony "Winter Daydreams." I love this piece to death. I would also have to suggest Beethoven's 1st Symphony, another fantastic piece of work that isn't performed as much as it should be.

What are your selections?

BassChuck · #2 01-22-2006, 07:12 PM

Schubert 3rd and 5th
Many of Haydn's pre-London symphonies
Beethoven 8th
Ives' 4th Symphony and "Three Places In New England" and "2nd Orchestral Suite"
Harrison's 3rd

neilG · #3 01-23-2006, 11:46 PM

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Harrison's 3rd

Harrison or Harris? Roy Harris' 3rd should be considered standard rep.

BassChuck · #4 01-24-2006, 05:37 AM

Lou Harrison

Snakewood · #5 01-24-2006, 05:55 AM

Bartok's 2nd Violin Concerto and Divertimento

Machina · #6 01-24-2006, 07:38 AM

Bottesini Concerto No 2...just had to throw that in.

JayR · #7 01-24-2006, 12:09 PM

I just gave Schubert's First a read-through last week and it was actually a really nice piece of music with some bass parts that bordered on gut-busting (at least in the sight-reading dept.) Yeah, and I agree with the guy who said Beethoven's 8th. Poor beethoven's 8th. Stuck between the 7th and the 9th.

Jeff Moote · #8 01-24-2006, 08:14 PM

Bruch's Violin Concerto and Scottish Fantasy

jvillarreal · #9 01-24-2006, 11:13 PM

Shostakovich Jazz Suites

Happy 100th Shosti!

Bruce Lindfield · #10 01-25-2006, 05:11 AM

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What are your selections?

Under-rated by whom....

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Who is going round saying that the works mentioned here are poor and compared with what...?

Snakewood · #11 01-25-2006, 08:11 AM

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Under-rated by whom....

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Who is going round saying that the works mentioned here are poor and compared with what...?

I never said any of these works are poor. Under rated meaning that they aren't peformed very often by major symphonies. I don't agree with the Bruch, I think that's a major piece of work. But I rarely see many of the above mentioned in a concert program. Especially Tchaik 1.

Bruce Lindfield · #12 01-25-2006, 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Snakewood

Under rated meaning that they aren't peformed very often by major symphonies.

That doesn't necessarily mean they are under-rated - it just means they aren't very popular with audiences... which is a completely different thing!!

Snakewood · #13 01-25-2006, 08:16 AM

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That doesn't necessarily mean they are under-rated - it just means they aren't very popular with audiences... which is a completely different thing!!

In my view those two are relatively the same things. To be honest, I don't really care. Seems like you're kindof trolling for an argument

. Back to the original post:

Rachmaninoff's Symphonic Dances!!!! so amazing, so rarely played

Bruce Lindfield · #14 01-25-2006, 08:22 AM

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In my view those two are relatively the same things.

Not at all!!

So it's quite possible for things to be very highly rated, but to be very unpopular - I think this is a very important distinction to make with music!!

So - a lot of Schonberg's 12-tone row music is rated highly by critics and musical historians, but almost never played today, as it is unpopular with audiences.

I think your title is misleading and a false premise - what you are talking about is :

UNPOPULAR music !!

Bruce Lindfield · #15 01-25-2006, 08:24 AM

I suppose my main point is that orchestras don't play things because they are highly rated - but rather because they think they will get an audience to come and see them play!!

Snakewood · #16 01-25-2006, 05:34 PM

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Not at all!!

So it's quite possible for things to be very highly rated, but to be very unpopular - I think this is a very important distinction to make with music!!

So - a lot of Schonberg's 12-tone row music is rated highly by critics and musical historians, but almost never played today, as it is unpopular with audiences.

I think your title is misleading and a false premise - what you are talking about is :

UNPOPULAR music !!

Dude...who cares? Stop carrying on about it. I'm talking about music that is performed often, and I'm not going to go making huge distinctions it's irrelevant. Call it what you will.

Just to re-buttle. Is Mahler's Das Lied unpopular!?! I think not. Is it performed "OFTEN", no. Why? Because it's "Unpopular Music" ?? No, because it requires 100's of different instruments at the most random points in the work. It's difficult to get every free lancer in in a city to double up for 5 min in a song.

Bruce Lindfield · #17 01-26-2006, 09:16 AM

Well again - there are many reasons why pieces are performed or not - I agree!!

But how pieces are "rated" by some notional person, is not one of them!!

I strongly object to the title of this thread - it implies that classical music is somehow "rated" - when this is clearly not the case!!

Anonymous75966 · #18 01-26-2006, 11:35 AM

I have a composition degree, which makes me a specialist in unpopular music lol.

I always dismissed the Concierto de Aranjuez as overplayed, light classical fluffery until I played in it ... and realized that it's really well put together and beautifully orchestrated IMHO. Mind you, I know some brass and violin players who hate it because they don't get any long lines.

Bruce Lindfield · #19 01-27-2006, 01:34 AM

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I always dismissed the Concierto de Aranjuez as overplayed...

According to "Boa Morte" that would mean it's over-rated....

Wrong thread?

mcnaire2004 · #20 01-27-2006, 10:51 PM

La Forza Del Destino (oventure) G. Verrdi. 2.d concerto opp22 Wieniawski. Night on bald mountain Mussorgsky ( i know its popilar but not enough). J'ai ete au bal Grantham (not that gay sh** with the acordian but the one written for the Batton Rouge Symphony)