Vanhal Editions

Kylebass · #1 08-07-2006, 05:47 PM

Can any of you recomend a good edition of Vanhal with the bass part in C major?

Jake · #2 08-07-2006, 06:01 PM

It probably works better with the bass part in D as it is more open. That's the way I have heard folks do it. Lemur Music has the Vanhal in both keys, I believe.

Kylebass · #3 08-08-2006, 07:24 AM

I have played the concerto in D. I wanted to work on it in C for a while just to see how it compares. For those of you who have worked on it in C, what edition could you recomend?

mcnaire2004 · #4 08-08-2006, 01:17 PM

I've never played it but looking through the lemur catalog arn't both in the key of C?. Just one for solo tuning which makes it D?

EFischer1 · #5 08-08-2006, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by mcnaire2004

I've never played it but looking through the lemur catalog arn't both in the key of C?. Just one for solo tuning which makes it D?

There are two versions of this piece. One in C Major (Solo D Major) and another in D Major (Solo E Major).

mcnaire2004 · #6 08-08-2006, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by EFischer1

There are two versions of this piece. One in C Major (Solo D Major) and another in D Major (Solo E Major).

Wow that's interesting.

Cory Palmer · #7 08-08-2006, 10:20 PM

The Hoffmeister edition is in C and comes with a facsimile of the original manuscript. Try to find the Hanz Gruber cadenzas for the Vanhal in C if you can. I'm pretty sure they are not published anymore so you will have to make a copy of somebody's. The Roger Scott edition has some nice cadenzas for the D Major version. I'm not sure if this one is published either. I've only heard the Roger Scott version performed.

I see that you are going to be at Peabody this year. You can get a copy of the Gruber cadenzas from me if you want. I lost the third movement cadenza though.

Kylebass · #8 08-09-2006, 08:06 AM

Thanks for your help. I would like to look at those cadenzas. How do you like Peabody Cory?

Cory Palmer · #9 08-09-2006, 11:39 AM

It's a great school. It's nice having three different teachers to learn from. I study with John Hood but I have learned a lot from Paul Johnson and Jeff Weisner through rep classes. There teaching and playing styles are very different from each other.

sforzando6 · #10 08-15-2006, 06:09 PM

Does anybody know what key the concerto was originally written in?

Dr Rod · #11 08-15-2006, 07:26 PM

Duncan McTier has what IMHO is the cleanest orchestral tuning version of the C version, with it's proper piano part. Do check it out.

Cory Palmer · #12 08-15-2006, 07:48 PM

It's originally in E Major.

Dr Rod · #13 08-16-2006, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Cory Palmer

It's originally in E Major.

Are you sure about that?

It was my understanding that the original was in D (you might be right though).

Cory Palmer · #14 08-16-2006, 06:33 PM

It would be performed in E Major with solo tuning. Maybe when it was originally written they would have played it in D. I'm not sure if the use of solo tuning goes back that far. It was also written for a bass in vienese tuning. So either D or E.

sforzando6 · #15 08-16-2006, 07:38 PM

My guess is that it is in D because Viennese tuning is comprised of the three notes of a D major triad (A D F# A).

anonymous12251111 · #16 12-16-2008, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Cory Palmer

It's originally in E Major.

No, it's originally in Eb major. D Major Viennese tuning with a semi tone scordatura up to Eb (very common in that time). Playing it in C and then using solo tuning to get it to D is the best option to simulate Viennese tuning but it is not ideal. The Viennese tuned bass has a completely different resonance and the concerto is miles easier to play in the original tuning and far more idiomatic.