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08-05-2005, 07:02 PM
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I'm looking for a nice rig to get JPJ-like tone. This is what I have in mind:
Fender 62/75 Jazz RI with D'Addario Chromes Flatwonds
Thunderfunk TFB420/550
Bergantino NV215/425
Do you think this gear (and lots of talent) get me in the neighborhood of Zep II tones.
Would you reccomend the 62 over the 75 Jazz or viceversa?
How about the cabs, 215 or 425?
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08-05-2005, 07:29 PM
|  | Registered User | | Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Nashville, Tennessee | | | Thats a great start. I think rounds may be better though. Also, most of his sound is in the fingers and phrasing. |
08-05-2005, 07:34 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Nashville, Tennessee | | Also If you don't have the Zeppelin bass books, GET 'EM. I have found a few mistakes in them, but they are pretty much dead on. Also if you don't know how to read (or feel) note ties well then songs like "good times bad times" will be difficult for you.
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08-06-2005, 04:49 AM
| | | | I would go with the 62RI jazz, set up with flats. Jonsey used flats for the early recordings. On some early video's of the band playing songs from the first album, you can see that he still has the mutes installed on his jazz. He did switch to rounds when he used the Alembic bass. In interviews that I have read he describes his finger attack as pretty hard on the strings. Watch the video and notice how he plays, that is where a lot of his tone comes from. He used big cabs, Acoustic 18's with folded horns. |
08-06-2005, 09:11 AM
|  | GOLD Supporting Member | | Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: New Orleans LA | | Yeah I'd definitely go w/ the 62 and I think your rig idea should get you a nice warm vintage tone while also being a little more versatile for different tones (it is not like you want to lug Acoustic cabs w 18" speakers and folded horns to your gigs, although the Zeppelin tribute band we opened for 2 weeks ago did indeed have the old Acoustic rig!). Just try different strings til you find what works. Oh yeah, don't forget the keyboards, mandolin, taurus pedals, etc. 
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08-06-2005, 10:45 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Michigan, USA | | | On your amp, I would say cut the mids, keep the lows pretty high, and the highs pretty low.
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08-08-2005, 04:24 PM
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08-10-2005, 08:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Audiophage JPJ tended to play close to the neck(at least in the earlier days before the 8-string) when he was fingering or picking. | ...learn something every day. What songs did he play an 8 on? |
08-11-2005, 03:26 PM
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08-12-2005, 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by origami i believe achilles last stand has 8 sting bass | an Alembic, if I'm not mistaken. (?) |
08-13-2005, 09:59 AM
| | | | Very important is to plpay pretty much on the neck with your right hand.Gives a world of overtones and warmness.And a 60s J Bass will help too.
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08-16-2005, 12:12 PM
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Though his main Zep bass was the jazz, he also had a '51 tele bass he used in the 70s. 
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08-19-2005, 07:39 AM
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Originally Posted by origami i believe achilles last stand has 8 sting bass | yah, I can hear that. Is that the only one? From audiophage's post, I thought there would be several... |
08-19-2005, 08:16 AM
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Originally Posted by The Lurker usually towards neck or pickups, don't recall him go up to the bridge much/at all.
Though his main Zep bass was the jazz, he also had a '51 tele bass he used in the 70s. | Yes, I believe the early P-bass, strung with roundwounds and usually picked, was used for many of the 'raunchy' sounding things on the early albums. "Out on the Tiles" may be one of these (but II'm not 100% certain).
As for the rest of the early stuff, definitely Jazz bass with flats. |
09-18-2005, 05:46 AM
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Originally Posted by the dude yah, I can hear that. Is that the only one? From audiophage's post, I thought there would be several... | On record:
Nobody's Fault but Mine
Ozone Baby on Coda (rarely mentioned, sure sounds like it to me)
He also played the 8 live on some legacy tunes in 77 onward like Black Dog that featured basslines that locked in with the guitar riff. You can always hear the telltale string-rattle on the bootlegs.
If you want to hear a lot of this stuff, pick up his two solo albums that feature almost nothing but octave bass.
He's definitely become the preeminent practitioner of the instrument. |
09-18-2005, 12:23 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Long Island, NY | | | Quick question about JPJ: Did he ever use a fretless? I have the DVD and a few CDs, and I could swear I HEAR the fretless, but I can't be sure that I've ever seen it. For example, I'm 90% sure that he uses a fretless on Ramble On, you can hear it in the intro. But due to vid quality and the lack of closeups, I can't tell from the DVD what he uses. |
09-18-2005, 09:28 PM
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Originally Posted by MikeyFingers Quick question about JPJ: Did he ever use a fretless? I have the DVD and a few CDs, and I could swear I HEAR the fretless, but I can't be sure that I've ever seen it. For example, I'm 90% sure that he uses a fretless on Ramble On, you can hear it in the intro. But due to vid quality and the lack of closeups, I can't tell from the DVD what he uses. | On the DVD...check out "In My Time Of Dying", he plays a fretless Precision. And on "Bron Yr Aur Stomp" he plays a weird looking electric upright bass. |
09-19-2005, 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by mos6507 On record:
Nobody's Fault but Mine
Ozone Baby on Coda (rarely mentioned, sure sounds like it to me)
He also played the 8 live on some legacy tunes in 77 onward like Black Dog that featured basslines that locked in with the guitar riff. You can always hear the telltale string-rattle on the bootlegs.
If you want to hear a lot of this stuff, pick up his two solo albums that feature almost nothing but octave bass.
He's definitely become the preeminent practitioner of the instrument. | Ozone Baby is a good song, great bouncy bass part............
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09-20-2005, 04:18 AM
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