Carol Kaye Video Clip

Lichtaffen · #1 10-21-2008, 11:55 AM

For fans of Carol Kaye:

http://lostandsound.wordpress.com/20...nd-carol-kaye/

There's a clip of her playing "I was made to love her" by Stevie Wonder, which was always disputed as being James Jamerson's playing bass on the recording.

If you've never heard of her check out her website. You'll be surprised of how many recordings she plays bass on from the 60's:

www.carolkaye.com

Does anyone own any of her books or DVD's?
Ara

VroomVroom · #2 10-21-2008, 12:06 PM

That was cool - thanks! It's always great to see Carol on video. She's a treasure and has an absolute wealth of information and inspiration.

BassLand · #3 10-21-2008, 01:14 PM

I believe it would be safe to say that, in the documentary is the recording of IWMTLH was playing and then there was Kaye "Claiming it" (Not to be confused with a clip of her playing the famous bassline by Jamerson alone which is also in the docu). Please find the Beach Boys version of IWMTLH and you will get a better idea of how Kaye sounded in the late 1960's trying to play that line. LOL

projectMalamute · #4 10-21-2008, 01:20 PM

I can play that line to. Doesn't mean it was me on the recording.

Krügmeister · #5 10-21-2008, 01:34 PM

...Regardless, She is a treasure of the Bass world and is worthy to be "The First Lady of Bass"

Buskman · #6 10-21-2008, 01:35 PM

Still a cool video, though. Can't deny her talent and the impact she's had on the bass world...

I especially liked the little clip of her playing with Brian Wilson. Neat stuff!

Lichtaffen · #7 10-21-2008, 01:45 PM

I honestly can't figure out who played it. I always thought it was Jamerson, it sounds more like his style. The producer of the song claims it's Carol Kaye. Both bass players are greats in my book, so I suppose it really doesn't matter all that much.
Ara

funkboy5 · #8 10-21-2008, 01:52 PM

Ditto....... Carol is badd as hell and the boat load of tunes she has played on is a goldmine. She is also one hell of jazz guitarist (6 string). This NPR radio interview is also a blast to listen to. Please check it out.

http://www.npr.org/programs/morning/...0616.kaye.html

projectMalamute · #9 10-21-2008, 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lichtaffen

I honestly can't figure out who played it. I always thought it was Jamerson, it sounds more like his style. The producer of the song claims it's Carol Kaye. Both bass players are greats in my book, so I suppose it really doesn't matter all that much.
Ara

You've got your facts wrong. The producer, songwriters and musicians involved have always claimed it was Jamerson.

BassLand · #10 10-21-2008, 08:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lichtaffen

I honestly can't figure out who played it. I always thought it was Jamerson, it sounds more like his style. The producer of the song claims it's Carol Kaye. Both bass players are greats in my book, so I suppose it really doesn't matter all that much.
Ara

Not true! The Producer of the 1967 Motown record was Henry "Hank" Cosby and there is an affidavit stating that James Jamerson played bass on the record that he produced and co-wrote with Sylvia Moy here:

http://bassland.net/hc1.htm

You must be thinking of Brian Wilson who produced the Beach Boy's version of that song the same year.

Er... See post above LOL

Lichtaffen · #11 10-22-2008, 07:16 AM

Wow! I've never been proved wrong with a faxed affidavit on an online forum.

Imagine if Jamerson and Kaye conceived a child together.

Baryonyx · #12 10-22-2008, 07:30 AM

I have to say I don't think much of Carol's tone in that video! Looked like a Fender P Lyte...a friend of mine had one of those and he made it sound amazing!

BassLand · #13 10-22-2008, 08:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lichtaffen

Wow! I've never been proved wrong with a faxed affidavit on an online forum.

Thats funny, I have never been proven wrong by someone who does not even know who the producer (and writer) of a tune was, verses your statement that the "producer" said "Carol" played on it...

Your statement is just false and I look forward to your showing any proof of the validity of said statement at all.

Snerek · #14 10-22-2008, 09:21 AM

good video, thanks for posting. i have a question though.

the groove at 7:39 - what style would you classify that as? what kind of groove is that? i listen to a lot of phish and jam band stuff, that reminds me of some of Mike Gordon's work

Thoughts?

Dr. Cheese · #15 10-22-2008, 09:44 AM

It was cool to see Carol Kaye playing in such a wide variety of situations. The only thing that irritated me about the video was the guy saying that Motown tried to deny that whites were on their records. I honestly cannot say that I know every comment that every person associated with Motown ever said about who played on their records, but as far back as when I was in junior high ( a very long time ago

) I knew about people like Denis Coffey (white) who played for Motown.

EddieG · #16 10-22-2008, 10:25 AM

I also believe that Carol didn't play on Stevie's version.

However, that doesn't take away from Carol's contribution to popular music, and bass playing.

JimK · #17 10-22-2008, 10:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr. Cheese

...but as far back as when I was in junior high ( a very long time ago

) I knew about people like Denis Coffey (white) who played for Motown.

...and Bob Babbitt.
Joe Messina was an original Funk Brother.
(the guy that looks like Buddy Holly in the SITSOM book).

**Thor** · #18 10-22-2008, 10:49 AM

Real or Memorex
4 string or extended range
Tube vs solid state
Jamerson vs Kaye

Any other beaten to death and dragged through the mud topics we can take on here?

Both bassists had impact on the musical world. It is
unfortunately true that who played on what in the 60's
and 70's was poorly documented.

There are claims, affirmations, affidavits and assertions
from all sides here. Examine the evidence for yourself and draw
your own conclusions. I know I have.

This will never have a definitive answer, beating the horse again is useless.

BassLand · #19 10-22-2008, 11:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thor

Real or Memorex
4 string or extended range
Tube vs solid state
Jamerson vs Kaye

Any other beaten to death and dragged through the mud topics we can take on here?

Both bassists had impact on the musical world. It is
unfortunately true that who played on what in the 60's
and 70's was poorly documented.

There are claims, affirmations, affidavits and assertions
from all sides here. Examine the evidence for yourself and draw
your own conclusions. I know I have.

This will never have a definitive answer, beating the horse again is useless.

Unfortunately Kaye is responsible for this with the outrageous claims in the first place. BTW I agree that it keeps on coming up starting in this instance with a so called documentary claiming she played on IWMTLH. When we stop hearing those outrageous claims, I'll bet this topic quickly disappears. What do you think?

JimK · #20 10-22-2008, 11:21 AM

Bob-
I'm still smarting from that e-mail a Kaye minion sent me ("Batacumbele") a few years ago when this topic was still new here at Talk Bass.
Yep, she called me "...the evil white male that the girls talked about in the Ladies Room".
LMAO.