Cliff Burton or James Newsted

FenderGibson · #1 02-08-2009, 02:36 PM

Who was a better bassist for metallica? coming up with bass lines and bass solos.

StanFan · #2 02-08-2009, 02:40 PM

I don't think these "vs" threads are allowed, but for the record, Burton's a better soloist, Newsted had better basslines.

Mudfuzz · #3 02-08-2009, 02:43 PM

I liked both but either was a better option the Bob Rock

Baryonyx · #4 02-08-2009, 03:02 PM

Newsted. He gave some thunder to the low end. Cliff had no low end.

smem · #5 02-08-2009, 03:07 PM

Who is James Newsted?

bhass · #6 02-08-2009, 03:08 PM

Jason Newsted I think you mean. He's better in my opinion because he could actually write a decent bass line.

heavyhitter · #7 02-08-2009, 03:09 PM

here we go again.... and again, and again and again.....

Jeff Martinez · #8 02-08-2009, 03:12 PM

Ron McGovney!!!!!!

Seriously, I prefer Newsted's playing over Burton's.

CRONOS · #9 02-08-2009, 03:20 PM

I say Burton because he was a big part of metallica. No offense to Newsted fans.

Chunky_Lover · #10 02-08-2009, 03:20 PM

burton :P

Baryonyx · #11 02-08-2009, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by CRONOS

I say Burton because he was a big part of metallica. No offense to Newsted fans.

So was Newsted. He was actually a part of Metallica for a lot longer!

lavmonga · #12 02-08-2009, 03:26 PM

Can someone start a thread about Geddy's tone next?

Mudfuzz · #13 02-08-2009, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by lavmonga

Can someone start a thread about Geddy's tone next?

Who's Geddy

CRONOS · #14 02-08-2009, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Baryonyx

So was Newsted. He was actually a part of Metallica for a lot longer!

Well that is only because Cliff came down with a Sirius case of bus crush twice in the same day. he never got a chance think of what today would be like with Cliff. It would be like the Wyld Stallyns no wars and peace through out the universe.

Dave Bassincus · #15 02-08-2009, 03:53 PM

Jason Newsted was a new guy consigned to doubling an octave lower, and then mixed out of existance on "In Justice..". While his subsequent production improved, he never defined his individual style as well as Cliff (or Trujillo for that matter).
Cliff Burton had a seminal and very individualistic style, hearing and composing layered harmonies; he was afforded equal space to contribute and compose as an band member; and his use of distortion and wah in his solos and tone was pretty unique as well.
I think it says a lot about Cliff's influenece, that Rick Rubin wanted them to go back to a "Masters" era vibe for "Death Magnetic", which rocks harder than anything they released in a while.

baddarryl · #16 02-08-2009, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave Bassincus

Jason Newstead was a new guy consigned to doubling an octave lower, and then mixed out of existance on "In Justice..". While his subsequent production improved, he never defined his individual style as well as Cliff (or Trujillo for that matter).
Cliff Burton had a seminal and very individualistic style, hearing and composing layered harmonies; he was afforded equal space to contribute and compose as an band member; and his use of distortion and wah in his solos and tone was pretty unique as well.
I think it says a lot about Cliff's influenece when Rick Rubin wanted them to go back to a "Masters" era vibe for "Death Magnetic", which rocks harder than anything they released in a while.

Seems like they did the same thing to Trujillo as he is buried in the mix on DM. It is a shame as he is a wonderful player, I bet he will shine live with them though.

Bubba Ghanoosh · #17 02-08-2009, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave Bassincus

Jason Newstead was a new guy consigned to doubling an octave lower, and then mixed out of existance on "In Justice..". While his subsequent production improved, he never defined his individual style as well as Cliff (or Trujillo for that matter).
Cliff Burton had a seminal and very individualistic style, hearing and composing layered harmonies; he was afforded equal space to contribute and compose as an band member; and his use of distortion and wah in his solos and tone was pretty unique as well.
I think it says a lot about Cliff's influenece when Rick Rubin wanted them to go back to a "Masters" era vibe for "Death Magnetic", which rocks harder than anything they released in a while.

That was pretty effin eloquent!

I never could get into Newsted, although I appreciate what he did. So I vote Clif.

Trujillo is quite awesome, too.

stanger503 · #18 02-08-2009, 04:19 PM

jason is who made me want to start playing bass in the first place.... i love cliff for what he did and how he did it...but newsted fit the bill tone wise and DEFINATELY stage presence wise. its too bad the rest of the band couldnt see him as that instead of just another bassist trying to fill in cliffs shoes. jason is a unreal and rare musician...to give up having a family and kids and devote your life to music says quite alot, although last i heard he now has a wife and kid(s) on the way. so id vote jason on this one.

LCMBassist · #19 02-08-2009, 04:21 PM

Newsted everytime.

Dave Bassincus · #20 02-08-2009, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by baddarryl

Seems like they did the same thing to Trujillo as he is buried in the mix on DM. It is a shame as he is a wonderful player, I bet he will shine live with them though.

I've thought about this, but on DM I always FEEL the bass, even when there isn't a distinct harmonic bassline; and even so, there are a number of spots where the basslines stick out, and perhaps most important (IMHO), there seems to be a real groove happening between the bass & drums. To my ears that's brand new. So I feel like Trujillo is really making the bass space his own, in a way that Metallica has been lacking since Cliffs death.