Clive Chaman, Jeff Beck's First Young Discovery

polo515 · #1 02-28-2009, 11:00 AM

There is a lot of buzz about Tal Wilkenfeld, Jeff Beck's young bassist on the forums. I will go on record that I love her solo CD, envy her gig, and can't wait to see her live with Jeff, my all-time favorite guitarist. But, this is not the first time that Jeff has "discovered" a great young talent. Today, I revisited the Jeff Beck Group's Rough and Ready and the "Orange" albums. Check out Clive Chaman, an excellent player in the Jamerson/Rainey/Jemmot tradition, playing some of the edgiest rock of the era. I realized today how much of an influence on my playing he was. I lived inside these records for weeks, and still hear a lot of Clive's style in mine, never knowing that this is where it came from. He went on to play in Hummingbird, with some of the Beck Group guy's and then faded away...

rockinrayduke · #2 02-28-2009, 02:48 PM

http://www.ainian.com/jb8.html#2

zombywoof5050 · #3 02-28-2009, 04:03 PM

Here's a nice clip:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiah6SHigtg

jerry · #4 02-28-2009, 04:36 PM

I'm a longtime fan of Clive's very Jamerson style grooves! One of my favorites is his work on Brian Auger's 'Happiness Heartaches' album with Lenny White.

JimK · #5 03-01-2009, 02:53 PM

"Got The Feel'n"!

Hamerguy · #6 03-05-2009, 08:58 AM

Clive Chaman was also the writer of most of the songs on Jeff Beck's Rough and Ready album and never got credited for that. I admit that I like Beck's Rough and Ready, Orange as well as Blow by Blow and Wired mostly for the contributions of the backing band (I am a big fan of Max Middleton, Clive Chaman, Wilbur Bascomb, Cozy Powell and Narada Michael Walden). Check out his playing on a concert of Brian Auger's Oblivion Express at http://www.wolfgangsvault.com, it includes a bass solo too. A pity he got fed up with music business and retired early.

markjazzbassist · #7 03-05-2009, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by jerry

I'm a longtime fan of Clive's very Jamerson style grooves! One of my favorites is his work on Brian Auger's 'Happiness Heartaches' album with Lenny White.

+1

was just going to say i love his work with Brian Auger and with Hummingbird.

JimK · #8 03-05-2009, 06:08 PM

I couldn't get Zomby's link to work-
Here's another-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkBYP...eature=related

bassvi · #9 03-05-2009, 06:14 PM

Beck also had a great young bass player in a guy named Ron Wood. I loved his tone and playing on Truth and Beck-Ola. I don't know what Ronnie was doing before the Jeff Beck group, but that was the first I ever heard of him. Kinda wish he had stuck with bass.

JimK · #10 03-05-2009, 06:17 PM

Wood also played bass on Rod Stewart's Every Picture Tells A Story...the next time you hear "Maggie May" on the radio...it's Wood on bass.

KJung · #11 03-07-2009, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by zombywoof5050

Here's a nice clip:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiah6SHigtg

Nice! It's funny to see those huge bass drums and toms that drummers all used back in the day.

I'd love to hear Jeff and Tal with a different drummer. Vinnie, of course, is one of the greats. But, his playing with Jeff makes my head hurt a bit... WAY too over the top. I'd love to hear Jeff and Tal with, for example, Steve Jordan. That would be more in the vibe of what Jeff's music is all about to me (like the great, simple, soulful rhythm section on Blow by Blow). IMO!

markjazzbassist · #12 03-07-2009, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by KJung

I'd love to hear Jeff and Tal with, for example, Steve Jordan. That would be more in the vibe of what Jeff's music is all about to me (like the great, simple, soulful rhythm section on Blow by Blow). IMO!

or jeff and steve with pino or someone else. Tal is a wanker IMO and overplaying just as much as Vinnie.

Hamerguy · #13 03-08-2009, 05:06 AM

Well, Beck's songs don't do it for me since the Guitar Shop album (and I was a big fan of Bozzio's drumming too, maybe I was expecting too much). When David Sancious joined I was looking forward, as he is also one of my favorite keyboard players and also a great guitarist. But listening to a boot of the Japan tour, he just played the parts that Jason Rebello played before him. Anybody knows the solo albums of Sancious? He had a great drummer and bassplayer too. Now Rebello is with Beck again, Sancious would have been a reason to watch him again. I miss the funk and soul vibe that the earlier members delivered Chaman and Middleton were great at that, as well as Wilbur Bascomb, Bernard Purdie and Narada Michael Walden)

KJung · #14 03-08-2009, 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by markjazzbassist

or jeff and steve with pino or someone else. Tal is a wanker IMO and overplaying just as much as Vinnie.

Wow... Tal seems very understated and rock solid to me, both with Beck, and on her solo CD. I don't hear ANY overplaying with her

jerry · #15 03-08-2009, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Hamerguy

Well, Beck's songs don't do it for me since the Guitar Shop album (and I was a big fan of Bozzio's drumming too, maybe I was expecting too much). When David Sancious joined I was looking forward, as he is also one of my favorite keyboard players and also a great guitarist. But listening to a boot of the Japan tour, he just played the parts that Jason Rebello played before him. Anybody knows the solo albums of Sancious? He had a great drummer and bassplayer too.

I'm a fan of his solo albums as well as his guitar playing, especially on Stanley Clarke's 'Journey To Love' album. I saw the original trio that Sancious had over 30 years ago, they smoked!

polo515 · #16 03-08-2009, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by KJung

Wow... Tal seems very understated are rock solid to me, both with Beck, and on here solo CD. I don't hear ANY overplaying with her

+1
I think she is pretty tasty. On the Live at Ronnie Scott's CD she is supportive and solid and I wish she stepped out more.
As to Ronnie Wood, in 1970 my group was the opening act on the Faces tour. Being the Jeff Beck freak that I am, it was exciting playing with Ronnie and Rod Stewart at various venues but I missed his bass playing. I think he started out as a guitarist, in a band called the Birds, and we all know his gig after Rod.

JimK · #17 03-13-2009, 04:29 AM

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Originally Posted by polo515

He went on to play in Hummingbird, with some of the Beck Group guy's and then faded away...

OK, I took a chance & bought Hummingbird's debut album...I checked it out on the way into work & I must say I'm pretty impressed.
It's in a '70s R&B/Funk/Rock vibe...I think it's Track_3 that reminds me a little of Graham Central Station. The guitarist has a nice Rock feel/tone, Max Middleton is jazzy, Chaman & the drummer are locked solid.
Hummingbird also reminds me a little of Full Moon (Neil Larsen, Buzz Feiten, Brother Gene, Phillip Wilson, & Freddie Beckmeier)...if possible, check out Full Moon's debut album.

Sad, 'cause both of these bands would be a breath of fresh air in today's scene.

Hamerguy · #18 04-07-2010, 04:54 AM

I just got this old thread back instead of posting another new one. Just to inform those who like Clive Chaman that there are some more live clips of the old Jeff Beck Group from the old "Beat Club" series to be found on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/user/Gyozateisyoku

Enjoy

zombywoof5050 · #19 04-17-2011, 03:12 AM

Here's an updated link..
YouTube - Jeff Beck Group - Definitely Maybe

nachodaddy · #20 04-18-2011, 10:02 AM

I adored the first four Jeff LP's. No use for the BBA or fusion crap. Even the thought of Jan Hammer still makes my skin crawl to this day. At any rate, here the good guys are owning this Dylan tune...

YouTube - Jeff Beck Group - Tonight I'll be Staying Here With You