David Ellefson Rust In Peace 20th Anniversary tour tone

CliffHarrisFan · #1 11-13-2010, 07:45 AM

Hi all,
For the Megadeth/David Ellefson fans out there. Can anyone provide an explanation as to how he is duplicating the EXACT Rust In Peace tone? He's using a Hartke head instead of GK on the album and the newer Jackson basses have humbuckers instead of PJ configuration. Thoughts?

Qvist · #2 11-14-2010, 06:57 AM

Did he use GK on Rust in peace?!?!

rolleharris · #3 11-14-2010, 03:52 PM

That is a good example of what Jaco said. "The sound is in your hands". Another thing is that he used Hartke and Jackson back in 1990 and he used it for this tour to. He used that combo back then to get that sound. Why would the Hartke/Jackson combo sound different now?

Kink Rimson · #4 11-15-2010, 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by CliffHarrisFan

Hi all,
the newer Jackson basses have humbuckers instead of PJ configuration. Thoughts?

The covers might contain P and J-style pickups.
In all honesty, in the live setting you probably won't hear a note he plays - just a continual rumbling.

That's a comment on live sound, not Ellefson's playing btw.

rockstarbassist · #5 11-15-2010, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Kink Rimson

The covers might contain P and J-style pickups.
In all honesty, in the live setting you probably won't hear a note he plays - just a continual rumbling.

That's a comment on live sound, not Ellefson's playing btw.

he's asking b/c he and you can actually hear his tone and what he's playing on this tour, especially on the DVDs and live clips. Sounds great.

Duckwater · #6 11-15-2010, 10:44 AM

I saw their first show after David came back and I wasn't able to hear him at all

His tone on Rust In Peace Live is amazing but I can't stand hearing Dave with autotune and Chris somehow manages to ruin most of the solos.

Kink Rimson · #7 11-16-2010, 06:37 AM

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Originally Posted by rockstarbassist

he's asking b/c he and you can actually hear his tone and what he's playing on this tour, especially on the DVDs and live clips. Sounds great.

Any live DVD would sound very different from the actual sound in the arena/venue, as it would be mixed and mastered at length before relase to make it sound as good as possible.

Chrisk-K · #8 11-16-2010, 08:50 AM

So, even Mustaine uses Auto-tune?

rockstarbassist · #9 11-16-2010, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Kink Rimson

Any live DVD would sound very different from the actual sound in the arena/venue, as it would be mixed and mastered at length before relase to make it sound as good as possible.

Your point is...? He's asking b/c he can hear it, and it's not "rumbling" as you stated....

Chrisk-K · #10 11-16-2010, 09:45 AM

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"The sound is in your hands"

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The sound is in your gear. Give Dave a Hofner and he won't sound like himself.

Qvist · #11 11-16-2010, 11:28 AM

Thought people would be interested in this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mywqe...layer_embedded

Mustaine uses Auto tune??! are you guys sure?

Duckwater · #12 11-16-2010, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Qvist

Mustaine uses Auto tune??! are you guys sure?

Yeah Dave's vocals on Rust in Peace Live are heavily edited, you can especially hear it on Lucretia. To my knowledge it's the only example of him using it.

Maybe he was just having an off-night, his vocals were great when I saw them but that was the first show of the Rust in Peace Live tour.

If the new album is good my faith will be restored.

CliffHarrisFan · #13 11-16-2010, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by rolleharris

That is a good example of what Jaco said. "The sound is in your hands". Another thing is that he used Hartke and Jackson back in 1990 and he used it for this tour to. He used that combo back then to get that sound. Why would the Hartke/Jackson combo sound different now?

When recording Rust In Peace he used a GK 800RB. The Hartke element of his sound back then was the cabs. That's my main query, he gets the same tone out of the Hartke and the Gallien Krueger 800RB, how?

rolleharris · #14 11-18-2010, 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by CliffHarrisFan

When recording Rust In Peace he used a GK 800RB. The Hartke element of his sound back then was the cabs. That's my main query, he gets the same tone out of the Hartke and the Gallien Krueger 800RB, how?

The 800RB and LH1000 are of a similar desing that gives a very natural uncoloured tone. Its not like an AMpeg wich gives u the Ampegtone it does just amplyfy the sound of ur bassplaying. David sets all his amp EQ flat so they wont colour his sound. Thats why it sounds the same

CliffHarrisFan · #15 11-18-2010, 02:15 PM

Thanks mate, that answers a lot of questions lol. Really useful info as I've never had the chance to play either amp.

Warfender · #16 11-18-2010, 04:30 PM

There is great article in the new Bass player about his rig. Check it out and see how he does it. It is all about 2 channels and di's and effects. From what I read it wasn't as much with the head. He also talked about smaller heads and maxing them for tone when recording and different mics and stuff.

Kink Rimson · #17 11-18-2010, 04:47 PM

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Your point is...? He's asking b/c he can hear it, and it's not "rumbling" as you stated....

I was only making a passing comment on the generally poor quality of bass sound at live metal shows, I had no intention of offending either yourself or the OP. I will now withdraw from this thread as it seems I am getting someone's gander up.