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03-22-2001, 04:01 PM
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BTW, the college education has to be in English Lit and Compostion. 
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03-23-2001, 03:52 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: May 2000 Location: Reading, UK | | | "I would rather read a novel written by someone who has had at least some college education (because they have an immense vocabulary they can draw upon to express themselves), than read a novel written by someone with the equivalent of a second grade education."
- People who have a college Education have a better vocabulary than those who don't ?.. that, my friend, is prejudice.
I'd prefer to a novel by a good writer, regardless of where or how they got their skills.
Anyway, I have no college education and I still know lots of words, like:
monkey, precipice, judicial, monopolise, knockers, gizmo, computer, t-shirt, concatenate, specialise, anguish, television, bass...
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03-25-2001, 09:22 PM
| | | | Daily, I did not at all mean to come off as insulting Fleas style in order to prove how good Wooten is.
Since this argument is only between the individual bass players I will say this much:
Victor Wooten is irrefutably the more technically advanced of the two. And while technical ability and knowledge of theory is not nearly as important as the vibe a musician has in accompaniment, the whole purpose of these two things (technical ability and knowledge of theory) is to give yourself all the tools you can to sound better in accompaniment, and frankly im tired of people bashing theory and then asking what a tritone resolution is
This is going to be very opinionated, but I have found (with myself alot too) that when people get confused by the mechanics of theory, they often will defend their "natural playing" and "vibe" over learning more theory. KNOWLEDGE OF THEORY IS NEVER DETRIMENTAL. If you cant keep knowledge from dictating what you play (which I doubt happens for anyone) then you will never be able to develop your own voice on an instrument.
And I have a third criterion for a good musician, ability to accompany other musicians and instruments
heres a few people I have heard him play with
Steve Bailey (If you dont know who he is, turn off your computer and feel sorry for yourself)
Regi Wooten, The Flecktones, Tony Rice, Sam Bush, Jerry Douglas, Dave Matthews Band, Trey Anastasio, Jackson Brown, Bonnie Raitt, John Scofield, Earl Scruggs, John Paul Jones, Tina Turner, Chick Corea, Scott Henderson, Steve Smith, Carter Beauford, Vital Tech Tones
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03-25-2001, 09:29 PM
| | | my last say,
because it is impossible to prove (or you just wont admit that we have  ) that a musician can be better in all aspects than another, I will restrict my argument to who has the better technical ability and theoretical knowledge and knowledge of the sounds his bass can make, and Vic takes the cake.
And who do you think could voice a phrase directly from the top of his head both faster and with more precision onto the bass?
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03-26-2001, 09:10 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: May 2000 Location: Reading, UK | | | No way maaan, theory sucks big time..... what is a tritone resolution?
Kidding, totally.
Actually, what is a tritone resolution, I've never even heard of it? - I'm interested, do please post on that...
"This is going to be very opinionated, but I have found (with myself alot too) that when people get confused by the mechanics of theory, they often will defend their "natural playing" and "vibe" over learning more theory."
>>> I agree with you here... I know shag-all theory, well, I know bits and bobs, but only real basic... but I do genuinely want to know more. I wouldn't slate theory, although I may slate the hardcore jazzos who use it so blatantly!
Again, kidding, I love jazz....
I'm not interested enough to pay for lessons... well it's a case of balancing cost against immediate value as well... I already spend £100 odd a month on travel to play with my band and the lessons would be the straw on the camels back so to speak...
KNOWLEDGE OF THEORY IS NEVER DETRIMENTAL.
>>In theory I agree, but.. there's this guy down our jazz club, a real jazzo guitarist, my best friend plays blues guitar and jams with them from time to time... now this jazzo guy always tries to play a blues solo after my mate finishes the jam and screws it completely... every single time!!! It's not that he cant play the guitar, he can, he's amazing, but he cant stop using all these jazz chords and scales... He literally cannot simplify his playing to suit the blues... practice I guess, but still, he;s session muso, you'd think he'd be able to choose his notes better?
"And I have a third criterion for a good musician, ability to accompany other musicians and instruments"
>>>I completely agree, now this is a bloody good specification for a good musician. I'll remember that for future use in disussion.
Flea also plays around - although not even comparable to the huge list you just posted.
I'm not doubting that Wooten is indeed beter than Flea... as a die-hard peppers fan I do get sick of bassists slagging him (which in general they do), when he is an exceptionally talented and expressive player and should be appreciated as such.
anyway dude, good discussion, I've learnt summit....
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03-26-2001, 02:48 PM
| | | | Victor wooten-
amazing grace
norwegian wood
classical thump
me and my bass guitar
flea-
higher ground... nah Flea cant have a solo career
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03-27-2001, 12:57 AM
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Victor wooten-
amazing grace
norwegian wood
classical thump
me and my bass guitar
flea-
higher ground... nah Flea cant have a solo career | wait!!!
Flea - Pea (he sings too!!!)
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03-27-2001, 01:49 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: May 2000 Location: Reading, UK | | | "higher ground... nah Flea cant have a solo career"
Flea wrote 3/4 of a solo album before the peppers got frusciante back for californication.
he also wrote the vast majority of One Hot Minute.
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03-27-2001, 10:00 PM
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"higher ground... nah Flea cant have a solo career"
Flea wrote 3/4 of a solo album before the peppers got frusciante back for californication.
he also wrote the vast majority of One Hot Minute. | Whoop de freakin' do
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03-28-2001, 01:50 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: May 2000 Location: Reading, UK | | | "Whoop de freakin' do"
OK, so One Hot Minute aint so hot and 3/4 of solo album doesnt get on the shelves...
I quit, this is a perpetual thang...
My final comment:
IMO: Flea rules...
and nothing will every change that opinion. I've seen and heard many better players, but Flea still rules.
Technique, speed, theoretical knowledge, even ability, in my opinion all that (really important stuff) goes out the window when compared to just being cool.
It's like Darth Vader said "The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant in comparison to the power of cool.. hurrrhhh, haaahhhh..."
...and we all saw what happened to that guy who argued with Lord Vader!
I will make a conscious effort to listen to some more Wooten.
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