Geddy Lee????? I don't get it.......

2behead · #1 04-29-2012, 12:05 AM

OK, First off I know I will get a tun of flack. But I HATE Geddy Lee and Rush. Sorry people. AHhahahaha! I just don't get it. I don't see the appeal. It all seems so sterile and contrived, over rehearsed, and poorly written. Now to clarify, there are players I don't care for but truly respect. Victor Wooten for example, Fantastic, Hell, amazing player. Not my thing, but wonderful. I believe it. Seems like he is making it up as he goes, Has a sense of spontaneity to it. Les Claypool , he is another one. I'm not a Primus fan, but his playing seems authentic, has that something behind it. Rush just sounds like a few soulless studio guys that thought they could do it better that the artistes they were recording for. The playing is great, but is so FLAT, so SAFE, so blaaaa. They are like Mc Donalds, The Idea of food. But with no nourishment. I get more excited about a 16 year old kid that only knows the pentatonic in A and E but loves it than Rush. Am I the only one that feels this way?

See my next comment @ #84 before you respond .....

Zoa · #2 04-29-2012, 12:10 AM

Oh my dear baby jesus. HIDE!!

JesusMetalFunk · #3 04-29-2012, 12:11 AM

Not a big rush fan or primus fan, but I do like Vic.

Geddy can sing, while they may not have been recorded at the same time I give props to people who pull off singing and playing live. I haven't seen Rush live either, but I am assuming they pull it off pretty well.

How are they live compared to other comparable rock acts?

ZeroSymbolic · #4 04-29-2012, 12:11 AM

Epitaph04 · #5 04-29-2012, 12:17 AM

Cool story bro.

Wyrm74 · #6 04-29-2012, 12:32 AM

C.Linton · #7 04-29-2012, 12:36 AM

I hate use such a cliche, but this is a perfect exmple of a troll thread if ever I saw one.

**JdoubleH** · #8 04-29-2012, 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by JesusMetalFunk

Not a big rush fan or primus fan, but I do like Vic.

Geddy can sing, while they may not have been recorded at the same time I give props to people who pull off singing and playing live. I haven't seen Rush live either, but I am assuming they pull it off pretty well.

How are they live compared to other comparable rock acts?

Not sure there really is a good act to compare them to...

But as far as their ability to perform live, here's La Vila Strangiato from '79:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78D00...e_gdata_player

As for why so many revere Geddy, check out his bass line vs. what he is singing on Limelight (circa '81)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUNx...e_gdata_player

To the OP- nobody said you had to like Geddy, or the band. But I would recommend listening to some of their older stuff, perhaps Hemispheres or 2112 before finalizing your judgment of them.

Rush tends to be one of the more polarizing bands in rock history - people tend to either love them or hate them.

2behead · #9 04-29-2012, 01:17 AM

Admittedly I haven't listened to a lot of Rush. Just what is on the radio, what is put on at parties and the few stray "no you gotta hear this one" incidents. I can see the skill. He/they are soled. I just feel like the only bass player I know that isn't into at at all. It's one of those, "that guy? Relay?" situations. I will check out Hemispheres. I want to see it but I just haven't heard any thing to back up all the hype.
What else should I listen to. Something that sounds organic?

Rune Bivrin · #10 04-29-2012, 01:36 AM

There are a lot of bands and players I don't really care for. I just don't see the value in posting about it...

Toastfuzz · #11 04-29-2012, 01:45 AM

**JdoubleH** · #12 04-29-2012, 02:07 AM

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Originally Posted by 2behead

Admittedly I haven't listened to a lot of Rush. Just what is on the radio, what is put on at parties and the few stray "no you gotta hear this one" incidents. I can see the skill. He/they are soled. I just feel like the only bass player I know that isn't into at at all. It's one of those, "that guy? Relay?" situations. I will check out Hemispheres. I want to see it but I just haven't heard any thing to back up all the hype.
What else should I listen to. Something that sounds organic?

You seem to have painted a target on your back

I'm not sure a taste for Rush can be acquired. I grew up listening to them in the 70's and early 80's. I'd put myself in the "love 'em" camp. However I lost interest in much of their new material from the 80's onward. I know plenty of people who are my generation who can't stand them.

I think for bass players, Rush stands out because the band is fronted by a bass player- and bass features very prominently in the music. The hype about Geddy stems not just from his ability, but from how he approaches the instrument. He is a maverick (hell, all three are). His bass lines really couldn't have come from anyone else. But it doesn't end there- see them live, and you realize that he not only plays those complex lines, but does so while simultaneously singing complex vocal lines, and often foot pedal synth. To top it all off, the guy doesn't seem have a shred of arrogance about him.

If you are serious about discovering what it is that others see in Geddy the band, I'd recommend watching the documentary, Beyond the Lighted Stage.

If after that you're still at a loss, I'd say give up trying. Move on to stuff that does turn your crank.

cnltb · #13 04-29-2012, 02:12 AM

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Originally Posted by 2behead

OK, First off I know I will get a tun of flack. But I HATE Geddy Lee and Rush. Sorry people. AHhahahaha! I just don't get it. I don't see the appeal. It all seems so sterile and contrived, over rehearsed, and poorly written. Now to clarify, there are players I don't care for but truly respect. Victor Wooten for example, Fantastic, Hell, amazing player. Not my thing, but wonderful. I believe it. Seems like he is making it up as he goes, Has a sense of spontaneity to it. Les Claypool , he is another one. I'm not a Primus fan, but his playing seems authentic, has that something behind it. Rush just sounds like a few soulless studio guys that thought they could do it better that the artistes they were recording for. The playing is great, but is so FLAT, so SAFE, so blaaaa. They are like Mc Donalds, The Idea of food. But with no nourishment. I get more excited about a 16 year old kid that only knows the pentatonic in A and E but loves it than Rush. Am I the only one that feels this way?

I see what you mean, although I do not se it exactly this way.
I always thought the real weakness in rush were the songs and still think so.
But...some of their music did get to me, not much, but some.
After all thei have been able to keep on going for 30 years or so, so I guess they are doing something right.
I do like Geddy Lee's solo disc.

At the end; it's music. you don't have to 'get' it.

Ricnroll · #14 04-29-2012, 02:16 AM

You're not the only one.... my Dad doesn't like Rush either. Me, I think they are awesome and have since I first heard them around 36 years ago. "So FLAT, so SAFE, so blaaaa" is the last thing I'd associate with Geddy's playing ... listen to everything from Rush through to Signals and report back. There's some great writing and great playing in there. Watch "Rush in Rio" to get a glimpse of their ability to ignite an audience.

Revolver · #15 04-29-2012, 02:24 AM

So what do you like?

PS: I'm not a Rush-freak BTW

Mitchinboxer · #16 04-29-2012, 02:30 AM

I have always despised the music of Rush for the simple reason that all of their songs that I've heard, at least dozens, have been collections of likeminded riffs with no emotional content. To be Rush, all you would have to do is be born as a middle class kid, go into your garage with plenty of musical equipment and two equally well to do friends and practice until you could play some pretty tasty riffs. Not exactly a lot of talent required there! In fact, I'm surprised this is a "brave" opinion on Talkbass, to the point that this is regarded as a "troll post". In the real world? They are seen by the majority as immature, posturing prog-rock, which I think is an accurate assessment.

Duke21 · #17 04-29-2012, 02:34 AM

No, I feel nothing like the OP. Rush is not flat, sterile or anything like that. Poorly written? Nah, masterfully written is more like it. You could say that Geddy overplays, maybe somebody will agree with you, but sorry man, I love Rush and Geddy.

Rune Bivrin · #18 04-29-2012, 02:35 AM

Just because you're numb to the emotion doesn't mean it isn't there.

Now, to me the early stuff doesn't resonate so much with me, but pretty much everything since Moving Pictures tickle something in me. And I only got into Rush with Snakes And Arrows 5 years ago, so no, it's not tied to my adolescence or youth.

cnltb · #19 04-29-2012, 02:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Rune Bivrin

Just because you're numb to the emotion doesn't mean it isn't there.

Now, to me the early stuff doesn't resonate so much with me, but pretty much everything since Moving Pictures tickle something in me. And I only got into Rush with Snakes And Arrows 5 years ago, so no, it's not tied to my adolescence or youth.

To me the BIG problem with snakes and arows was that to me the sound quality was real poor, so I ended up giving it away to a friend.

pnut166 · #20 04-29-2012, 02:40 AM

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Originally Posted by C.Linton

I hate use such a cliche, but this is a perfect exmple of a troll thread if ever I saw one.

+1. Rush doesn`t do it for me, mainly because of Geddy`s singing. But I give the guy props - just cause it isn`t my cup of tea doesn`t necessarily mean it has no merit. Same goes for Primus - the vocals are a big turn-off, but those guys are fantastic musicians