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04-28-2007, 10:09 AM
|  | Master of Reality | | Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: San Diego, CA | |  Geezer didn't get a solo...
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I caught the local stop on the "Heaven and Hell Tour" here in the greater San Diego area on Thursday night. It had the Black Sabbath lineup from Mob Rules (Dio, Iommi, Butler, and Appice).
Appice got a true unaccompanied drum solo.
Iommi got two extended solos/breakdowns in addition to the requisite minimum one solo per song arrangement that Sabbath typically has.
Geezer got nothing. Nada. No intro's. No breakdowns. Nothing. 
If it's any karmic justice, the camera operator probably devoted half of the big screeen shots to Geezer's ridiculously impressive looking right hand movments which were a constant blur because of his speed. Too bad the audio mix wasn't more favorable to him, his distortion caused him to be fairly undefined in the amphitheater setting they played.
The Dio years weren't the strongest for Butler's material, but still, it was disappointing to have him on stage in front of me, visible in camera closeups but not really ever standing out in the mix either because of a noticibly absent solo spot or PA levels. |
04-28-2007, 10:21 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Edinboro, PA | | | Bad mix, but I don't think Geezer needs to solo, in a good mix, he's tearing it up and that's all that he needs really. I never liked the NIB solo intro, but I love that when Iommi starts soloing, Geezer is right behind him mini soloing... it fills up the sound and sounds awesome.
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04-28-2007, 12:42 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: San Francisco, CA (finally!) | | | people just don't like bass solos. |
04-28-2007, 02:19 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Finland | | Quote:
Originally Posted by Unrepresented  The Dio years weren't the strongest for Butler's material, | Oh? In my opinion the album "Heaven And Hell" is his peak. Great tone too.
BTW, did they play "Wishing Well"? |
04-28-2007, 02:22 PM
|  | Registered User | | Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Baltimore | | | thats a shame.. that really is
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04-28-2007, 02:28 PM
|  | Fingers, pick, and a little bit of slap | | Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Terrapin country (Crofton, MD) | | | I'm guessing it was Geezer's choice. I'm sure they'd give him a solo if he really wanted one. |
04-28-2007, 02:32 PM
| | Fingers, pick, and a little bit of slap | | Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Terrapin country (Crofton, MD) | | Quote:
Originally Posted by peteroberts people just don't like bass solos. | A fair enough generalization. That's why I'm perfectly happy in a support role. I'll do solos if asked, but if not, I don't care. |
04-28-2007, 02:36 PM
|  | Swamp Yankee | | Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Smithfield, RI | | Quote:
Originally Posted by peteroberts people just don't like bass solos. | I don't believe that's true. Unless I'm playing it!
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04-28-2007, 03:18 PM
|  | Registered User | | Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Winnipeg, MB | | Quote:
Originally Posted by Fuzzbass A fair enough generalization. That's why I'm perfectly happy in a support role. I'll do solos if asked, but if not, I don't care. | I'll go with that  Funnily enough at the last show we played I did a solo in the second song and it was a groove type solo. Later on in the set I did a small slap and pop thing along with the guitar. People we coming up congratulating me on my solo - they went on to describe the slap section of the latter song. 
Better yet, I didn't actually care. As long as the show flows and the songs sound good I'm happy. And to be more on-topic I prefer the Heaven and Hell years for Geezer as well. Great tone and excellent playing.
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04-28-2007, 03:32 PM
| | Swamp Yankee | | Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Smithfield, RI | | Quote:
Originally Posted by christle I'll go with that ...People we coming up congratulating me on my solo - they went on to describe the slap section of the latter song.
...Better yet, I didn't actually care. As long as the show flows and the songs sound good I'm happy. | Ayep, well, you were featured- funny how that works as a "solo". Good enough, I'd say! Quote:
Originally Posted by christle And to be more on-topic I prefer the Heaven and Hell years for Geezer as well. Great tone and excellent playing. | I'm hearing this. I played in an Ozzy cover band for a while, and as much as I like "Behind the Wall of Sleep", Geezer was better with the Dio version.
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04-28-2007, 05:40 PM
| | Master of Reality | | Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: San Diego, CA | | Quote:
Originally Posted by PhR Oh? In my opinion the album "Heaven And Hell" is his peak. Great tone too. | Eh, I dig all three studio albums that Dio did with Sabbath -- that's actually how I got into Sabbath in the first place, but I really prefer the early Sabbath's bluesy groove and interplay of the rhythm section with Iommi's guitar as well as the dynamics and composition.
The stuff with Dio often feels like they are remaking the song "Paranoid" with a better vocalist, especially when acquiring Appice as their drummer. They became a fully realized heavy metal band that didn't offer anything particularly different from the peers that they had at the time who'd been influenced by them. The original sound that set them apart was more or less lost, along with a more prominant role for Geezer.  Quote:
Originally Posted by PhR BTW, did they play "Wishing Well"? | Nope. Or Time Machine.
They were excited to play some new tunes they had written for the new compilation "The Dio Years." It's in stores now, coincidentally enough.  |
04-28-2007, 05:42 PM
|  | Registered User | | Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Altoona, PA | | Geezer who? Just kidding!!
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04-28-2007, 05:45 PM
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04-28-2007, 06:31 PM
| | | | Meh I almost fell asleep during the guitar and drum solos. |
04-28-2007, 07:47 PM
|  | put a bird on it | | Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Minnesota | | Quote:
Originally Posted by peteroberts people just don't like bass solos. | true story...as much as some bassists are in denial, most people really don't care for a bass solo. |
04-28-2007, 08:13 PM
| | Srubby wubbly | | Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Monroe, Louisiana | | | So it goes, eh? |
04-28-2007, 09:41 PM
| | put a bird on it | | Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Minnesota | | | so it goes |
04-29-2007, 12:14 AM
| | Swamp Yankee | | Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Smithfield, RI | | | I play in a jazz-ish combo, and the guitar player runs it. He keeps giving me the spot for bass solos. In jazz, I guess that's the norm, mostly. I am also, for what it's worth, getting used to doing 'em.
I find that if I keep 'em rhythmically very hip, phrased with plenty of air, and short, I can excuse myself for doing them. I have no way of knowing how they go over though, actually, because no one in the room ever says anything about them.
Hmmm...
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04-30-2007, 10:42 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: san diego, CA | | | i was going to say what matt said. by how fast his fingers were moving (i saw the show in san jose, ca) it looked like all the songs were bass solos! unfortunately the the sound at the pavilion in san jose is horrible so i couldn't really hear him much. but he was on fire.
i totally love the dio years. every song on heaven in hell is great, and there are only a couple off of mob rules i don't like. i'm not familiar with the 3rd dio-led sabbath release. i think the song 'mob rules' is one the best songs sabbath ever did in their entire career. and the main guitar riff in 'the sign of the southern cross' is one of the most ominious and frightening riffs in history. it still gives me chills whenever i hear it. |
04-30-2007, 03:21 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Edinboro, PA | | Quote:
Originally Posted by Fuzzbass I'm guessing it was Geezer's choice. I'm sure they'd give him a solo if he really wanted one. |
Exactly. Maybe I'm strange for saying it, but if offered a bass solo spot (and it's been offered) I decline.
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