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06-14-2009, 11:11 PM
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Originally Posted by jtkennedy9 It always cracks me up when people point out how many better bass players there are than Gene Simmons, and that's true, there are a lot that are more talented. But how many arenas and stadiums has Wooten or Miller or Jaco sold out consistently over a pretty long time frame?  | Popular =/= good. Otherwise N'Sync is the height of musical prowess.
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06-14-2009, 11:12 PM
| | Registered User Endorsing: Ampeg | | Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Apopka, FL | | | This thread is funny! Gene's been playing this song live for 35 years (I've actually seen him do it, believe it or not) and people are debating if he's playing to tracks on a freakin' Youtube video, which are notorious for bad synching? Good stuff, guys! What's even funnier is when you post your Youtube videos of YOU playing it. I'm sure you're all way better than Gene. And I'm sure Gene couldn't give a crap while looking at all those people who came to see him.
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06-14-2009, 11:59 PM
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Originally Posted by JukeBoxHero I don't like Gene Simmons that much personally(decent bassist, but the other parts eh not much), however he isn't faking it. If he was faking it, you would hear a cleaner studio recording while he fakes it, there's also some improvising that you wouldn't find on the studio recording. | This. Gene seems like a douche to me, and I never buy the "look how many tickets/records X has sold, how dare you criticize X!" line. But it's just plain goofy to think you can tell he's faking from a Youtube video, and I've never seen a reason to suspect he has been.
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06-15-2009, 12:10 AM
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Originally Posted by GregC This. Gene seems like a douche to me, and I never buy the "look how many tickets/records X has sold, how dare you criticize X!" line. | Sorry, but I have a soft spot for Gene. KISS has been the most disrespected band of all time while there are bands out there with 1/4 the talent and 1/10 of the great songs and they're considered geniuses. Gene is a bit of a douche and overly likes himself in a lot of ways, but he's pretty modest about his playing, and really, he's not bad at all.
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06-15-2009, 12:15 AM
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Originally Posted by JimmyM This thread is funny! Gene's been playing this song live for 35 years (I've actually seen him do it, believe it or not) and people are debating if he's playing to tracks on a freakin' Youtube video, which are notorious for bad synching? Good stuff, guys! What's even funnier is when you post your Youtube videos of YOU playing it. I'm sure you're all way better than Gene. And I'm sure Gene couldn't give a crap while looking at all those people who came to see him. | True. Youtube videos often have ridiculously bad synching.
I was pretty disappointed. I was hoping for some glaring detail that would be super obvious if he was faking. But no, complete let down.
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06-15-2009, 12:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Justice sorry haters, its live and Gene is not faking. The audio and video are out of sync for just about the whole clip so the places when you hear the bass lick and see it are not together making it look like he is playing something different. Pretty easy to see.
| Yup. And it's obvious with the drums and vocals too. It's off by about half a second in places-the audio is way behind the video. Gene is what he is. I like some of their stuff. But he always seems to have horrible tone, sorry Jimmy!
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06-15-2009, 12:20 AM
| | | | video sync is bad. gene's also playing the lick in different positions so he won't fall asleep. he should just spit blood constantly. | 
06-15-2009, 12:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Spector_Ray Yes it is. It's not classy like an avatar of the Pope holding a Rick!  | But, IF the Pope were a bassist, it seems like a Rick would be a good choice. | 
06-15-2009, 12:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Spector_Ray Yes it is. It's not classy like an avatar of the Pope holding a Rick!  | You're just jealous. | 
06-15-2009, 12:30 AM
|  | Registered User | | Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Metro Detroit | | | I love watching the Simmons Family Jewels show. I have more respect for him, now, than I ever had before. I don't think he's a bad guy, at all. I think the whole arrogant rock star thing is an act. | 
06-15-2009, 12:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Craig_S I love watching the Simmons Family Jewels show. I have more respect for him, now, than I ever had before. I don't think he's a bad guy, at all. I think the whole arrogant rock star thing is an act. | I don't think it's an act. Paul said he hated him when he first met him. But he's likable. A likable a-hole 
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06-15-2009, 12:54 AM
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06-15-2009, 01:33 AM
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2.i wouldent be suprised otherwise
3. gene is a buisnessman, not a musician. who cares if hes playing or not. | 
06-15-2009, 01:58 AM
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06-15-2009, 06:56 AM
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06-15-2009, 07:06 AM
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Originally Posted by west*coast*bass Another bash Gene Simmons thread??? How original. | +1. 
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06-15-2009, 08:34 AM
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That's not fake. It's just a video editing problem. At some point, the drums are also out of sync since the audio and video tracks don't match. It's not the first time I notice something like that. Back in (I think) 1981, when I saw this video for the first time, I kept rewinding the Betamax tape trying to find out why at 0:45 Paul Stanley isn't even close to the microphone and ready to sing but his voice can be heard loud and clear.
Now, after watching the video above, watch this one, which is correctly edited - at 0:39 Paul Stanley starts singing in sync. Clearly noticeable although there's no close-up. So you can see what I'm talking about : Just bad video editing. | 
06-15-2009, 08:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Ryan L. +1.  | +2
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