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10-16-2008, 04:33 PM
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10-17-2008, 01:16 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Europe | | Sorry if this should be the wrong section for my thread. 
It´s no spam, just spreading the word.
For me it´s a mystery why Hellmut Hattler is nearly unknown outside Europe. |
10-17-2008, 01:30 AM
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Originally Posted by bassjumper  it´s a mystery why Hellmut Hattler is nearly unknown outside Europe. | Make that: "completely unknown outside Germany". Well, I never heard of him anyway 
I find his playing to have too much Clank & Clunk for my taste, but I appreciate the work he does with De Winkel. The instrumental aspect of it, that is.
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10-17-2008, 05:52 AM
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Originally Posted by middlebit Make that: "completely unknown outside Germany". Well, I never heard of him anyway | Yes, that's it. He's just known here in Germany, but people here hold him very dear as a tasteful pickstyle bassplayer. Wolfgang Schmidt is in the same situation. Hell of a bassplayer (really funky Pickstyle, sounds kinda like Mark King's slapping), but just known to a small group of German music-enthusiastics and bassplayers. By the way, for what music is Germany known for anyway (leaving out the classical guys like Bach, Haydn, Beethoven or Händel who died as a British citizen)? Is it just the Scorpions? 
But I guess every country has those musicians that are not known anywhere else. Probably there are others really interesting bassplayers in other countries of the world that we'll never know or listen to. Sad thing though, but not everyone can be a star just because he's good at something. |
10-17-2008, 07:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Demian By the way, for what music is Germany known for anyway (leaving out the classical guys like Bach, Haydn, Beethoven or Händel who died as a British citizen)? Is it just the Scorpions? | I hope I don't offend anyone, but to me "German music" brings to mind fake smiles in Lederhosen and the umpah music that usually follows this combo. Florian Fesl and the likes doing their playback thing in front of huge and VERY enthusiastic crowds -it looks like something out of a David Lynch movie!
Next, I think of Kai Eckhardt and I immediately recover. Quote:
Originally Posted by Demian But I guess every country has those musicians that are not known anywhere else. Probably there are others really interesting bassplayers in other countries of the world that we'll never know or listen to. Sad thing though, but not everyone can be a star just because he's good at something. | Definitely! We certainly have some very well kept secrets up here, not just bassists but players of all instruments. It's not that they are not talented enough to be more exposed, but sometimes the break doesn't materialize for one or several reasons. Maybe the player hasn't toured with a big name or been a member of a successful "super-group", or maybe he/she has and has been too much in the background for anyone to notice. It makes it all the more rewarding when you occasionally do stumble across a great,hitherto unknown, player with a vast back catalogue.
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10-17-2008, 08:07 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Europe | | | As far as I know Torsten de Winkel, the guitarist in these video clips, used to play a lot with Kai Eckhardt.
BTW: Tina Turner recorded a song of Hellmut´s hip jazz duo Tab Two. |
10-17-2008, 08:25 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Tucson,AZ | | I called your post Spam, because according to your profile you joined Talkbass yesterday and your first post was a promotion for a virtually unknown musician. Persons making these type posts very often never appear on the forum again, it's just a publicity blitz across many forums.
This happens fairly often so you will have to pardon me if I seem a bit dubious. I notice that you have come back to at least monitor your post and if this is a prelude to you becoming a regular partcipant in our community and making an ongoing contribution to the discussion of all things bass, then sir, you have my apologies.
I watched the videos that you linked and I will say that Herr Hattler is indeed a talented player and I appreciate that you have made me aware of a player that I had know prior knowledge of.
Bassjumper, welcome aboard.TalkBass is a very good forum, filled with many great players, please stick around, introduce yourself and be a part of it.
Perhaps we will introduce you to bassists that you are unaware of!
Cheers!
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10-17-2008, 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by middlebit I hope I don't offend anyone, but to me "German music" brings to mind fake smiles in Lederhosen and the umpah music that usually follows this combo. Florian Fesl and the likes doing their playback thing in front of huge and VERY enthusiastic crowds -it looks like something out of a David Lynch movie! | I don't feel offended by this. I know that this is somehow a popular prejudice image of Germany and German music. It's too bad that many people that being German means automatically Bavarian. Bavaria may be a large part of Germany, but it's not like we all do that Lederhosen, Weißbier and Weißwürstl ****, but I know, you didn't have that intention.  By the way, I'm afraid I don't know Florian Fesl, but I'm not into Volksmusik at all. And let me tell you something: That kind of umpah music would be an understandable reason to lead a war against Germany once again... Quote:
Originally Posted by middlebit Next, I think of Kai Eckhardt and I immediately recover. | Yes, Kai Eckhardt is maybe one of the best German music exports. I really dig his music as well. Quote:
Originally Posted by middlebit Definitely! We certainly have some very well kept secrets up here, not just bassists but players of all instruments. It's not that they are not talented enough to be more exposed, but sometimes the break doesn't materialize for one or several reasons. Maybe the player hasn't toured with a big name or been a member of a successful "super-group", or maybe he/she has and has been too much in the background for anyone to notice. It makes it all the more rewarding when you occasionally do stumble across a great,hitherto unknown, player with a vast back catalogue. | I see we understand each other. That is exactly what I was talking about. And as you said, it is really interesting how good some unknown musicians are. I've already learned a lot from people like that.
By the way, you guys from Danmark have a great bassplayer coming from your nation: Thomas Risell aka MarloweDK. I really enjoy his playing. I got into funk music because of him and since I have been studying his playing and the music he plays and likes and which I really like now, too, I have made great progress in my bassplaying and it has contributed to my understandment of music in general. |
10-17-2008, 03:42 PM
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10-17-2008, 11:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Demian Yes, that's it. He's just known here in Germany, but people here hold him very dear as a tasteful pickstyle bassplayer. Wolfgang Schmidt is in the same situation. Hell of a bassplayer (really funky Pickstyle, sounds kinda like Mark King's slapping), but just known to a small group of German music-enthusiastics and bassplayers. By the way, for what music is Germany known for anyway (leaving out the classical guys like Bach, Haydn, Beethoven or Händel who died as a British citizen)? Is it just the Scorpions?
But I guess every country has those musicians that are not known anywhere else. Probably there are others really interesting bassplayers in other countries of the world that we'll never know or listen to. Sad thing though, but not everyone can be a star just because he's good at something. |
Of course German music has a lot more to offer than the Scorpions!!!
You also have Rammstein.
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10-18-2008, 02:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Demian I don't feel offended by this. I know that this is somehow a popular prejudice image of Germany and German music. It's too bad that many people that being German means automatically Bavarian. Bavaria may be a large part of Germany, but it's not like we all do that Lederhosen, Weißbier and Weißwürstl ****, but I know, you didn't have that intention. By the way, I'm afraid I don't know Florian Fesl, but I'm not into Volksmusik at all. And let me tell you something: That kind of umpah music would be an understandable reason to lead a war against Germany once again... | Well, I wouldn't go that far. Regarding the umpah/oompah music, the thing is, it's all we see if we happen to turn on the TV in a home that has the German channels. I mean the three "classic" channels that once brought me Spencer and the bald guy with beard and glasses who lived in a garden shack.
Florian Fesl is some young accordion prince, apparently. Saw him on the warm-up for the European soccer championship finals...very shocking! Quote:
Originally Posted by Demian
By the way, you guys from Danmark have a great bassplayer coming from your nation: Thomas Risell aka MarloweDK.
| Yeah he's pretty big on youtube and he also gigs around this city quite a bit. We also have a guy like Niels Ryde, who's more of an improvising jazz/whatever-man.
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10-18-2008, 02:49 AM
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Welcome to TB man.
In the short time i've been here i've learned 10 times more than what i knew after 4-5 years of playing |
10-18-2008, 02:53 AM
| | | Never heard of him despite living in germany. Thanks for the heads-up!
"Intro Mine" sure is a nice delay application. I wish i had some delays to try something similar . |
10-18-2008, 03:30 AM
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10-18-2008, 04:08 AM
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10-18-2008, 06:26 AM
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Originally Posted by The Lurker You also have Rammstein. | Ah, yes, that's right. I'm just not really into that style of music. It's not bad though, but I don't own any Rammstein albums. But as far as I know, they must be pretty popular in North and Latin America. A friend of mine lived a year in Mexico and went to school there. His fellow-students were crazy for him to translate their lyrics to Spanish. Quote:
Originally Posted by middlebit Well, I wouldn't go that far. Regarding the umpah/oompah music, the thing is, it's all we see if we happen to turn on the TV in a home that has the German channels. I mean the three "classic" channels that once brought me Spencer and the bald guy with beard and glasses who lived in a garden shack. | Haha, do you mean "Hallo, Spencer!" ? That was actually a really funny programme for kids. My eight years older brother and me grew up on series like that. Quote:
Originally Posted by middlebit Florian Fesl is some young accordion prince, apparently. Saw him on the warm-up for the European soccer championship finals...very shocking! | I know what you mean. I did a little research on that guy. I haven't seen him on TV during the warm-up for the European soccer championship finals, but he's coming from an area in the Bavarian Forest were my family uses to go on holidays every summer. I remember being to the musical instruments shop where he bought his accordions two years ago. They just had plywood guitars there but then I found a used SKC Bogart fivestring. Wow, what a bass, never imagined to find something like that in the middle of nowhere. Quote:
Originally Posted by dangerkirk dose the Hoff still put out albums in Germany? | Thank God, no. He got forgotten somehow however he still thinks that singing "I've been looking for freedom" led to the fall of the Berlin wall and the German reunification.... Quote:
Originally Posted by Montsegour You had Guano Apes | Yes, I forgot them, got a record of them though. Unfortunately "had" is the right word. The band split in 2005. Stefan Ude is really a cool bassplayer with a very bright slapsound on his MusicMan basses. He and the other Guano Apes members (with the exception of their singer Sandra Nasic) got togehter with R&B-Singer Charles Simmons and founded the band iO. They toured and have recorded an album as far as I know, but I haven't listened to them yet. |
10-18-2008, 06:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Demian Yes, that's it. He's just known here in Germany, but people here hold him very dear as a tasteful pickstyle bassplayer. Wolfgang Schmidt is in the same situation. Hell of a bassplayer (really funky Pickstyle, sounds kinda like Mark King's slapping), but just known to a small group of German music-enthusiastics and bassplayers. | I always dug Wolfgang's work with Billy Cobham, but I always forget to mention his name when the pick-player threads come up. Cobham also used Eckhardt a bit in the 90's.
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10-18-2008, 07:01 AM
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You guys Know Dirk Blumleins? http://www.dirkie.de/musik.htm
He had me ship him a restored acoustic 360. He's a great player. musician and a very very nice person. If you don't know him check him out. Anybody in Germany that knows him say, Hi, from George in the USA............ Later |
10-18-2008, 10:07 AM
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