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Old 03-11-2010, 02:26 PM
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The history of overdriven/fuzzy bass tones in pop/rock music

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Anybody know of a website containing this information? A list of albums? A list of bands?

If not, please post who your favourite overdriven bassist is, and maybe a youtube link?

(Not including heavy stuff like hardcore or metal.)
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Can't go wrong with Larry Graham with Sly and the Family Stone - Dance To The Music. IMO that is the best use of fuzz in bass ever.

Noel Redding had a lot of fuzzy bass tones on some of the Hendrix recordings.

Most people don't talk about it much, but I am digging Phil Lesh's overdriven sound on the Live Dead album.
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+1 on Larry Graham

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For a more obscure one, check out the bass on the last track of the Electric Prunes live disc from Stockholm, 1967. Or The Velvet Undergound on White Light/White Heat, and The Gift. Or Ron Wood on The Jeff Beck Group's Spanish Boots, complete with a killer bass solo at the end. Of course there's also the live tracks on Cream's Goodbye album, classic distorted Marshall/Gibson SG Bass hookup.
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think for yourself by the Beatles, thats one fuzzy bassline.
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In my Personal History, it was the bass for a band called "Phantom Toolbooth" playing at Greenstreet Station in Jamaica Plain, Boston. That's what made me say, hmmm I gotta get That sound!
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If you want to check out some truly great and very early distorted bass in pop music, check out Paul Revere and the Raiders' singles (Steppin' Out, Hungry, I'm Not Your Steppin' Stone, Good Thing, Just Like Me, etc.). These date back to late '65/early '66, I believe. Terry Melcher produced most of their early hits.

Edit: Coolest over-driven bass sound in rock - Jack Casady of Jefferson Airplane. Check out "The Ballad of You Me and Pooneil" on "after Bathing At Baxters", any cut off of "Crown of Creation", and "Water Song" off of the Hot Tuna album "Burgers".

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Can't go wrong with Larry Graham with Sly and the Family Stone - Dance To The Music. IMO that is the best use of fuzz in bass ever.
"M'Lady" is another...originally on the album Life.

Another obscure one-
"Give It Everything You Got"- Edgar Winter's White Trash (1st track on the album Edgar Winter's White Trash).
George Sheck is the bassist.
Jerry Lacroix's vocals are worth the price of admission.

Mel Schacher of Grand Funk Railroad lived on the distorted bass tone.
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Larry Graham
Hugh Hopper with Soft Machine
Jack Bruce on Zappa's Apostrophe
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Just about my favorites:

the Who, circa 1967
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwVI7F-DdHY

Gallon Drunk, circa 1992
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECnh7tYY-M0
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Greg Lake beasted on The Barbarian on their first album, search it on youtube.
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John Wetton - Red, King Crimson- P Bass through Hiwatt, very growly.
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Whoever played bass on the live cut of Neil Young's Hey Hey, My My (My My Hey Hey?).
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Tim Bogert like fuzz in Vanilla Fuzz -- I mean Fudge. Check out the end of "Some Velvet Morning" on "Near the Beginning." Downright scary fuzz. Greg Lake used some fuzz on the "Tarkus " LP.
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Let's see.. I already am a big Jack Casady/Yggdrasil/Alembic fan. I don't think anything can outdo his sound on 'Mexico' or Saucers' but, there are other examples, ca latter 60's:

1.The James Gang's 'Yer Album' - especially the bass on their version of 'Bluebird'. Massive. Talk about sustain....Sounds like a Fender Jazz w an EH Mole Booster (or something akin) on it, hits the front end of those amps. Good compression on those recordings helped, I'm sure.

2.Grand Funk Railroad - esp. that live YouTube clip of 'Inside Lookin Out'..Mel Schacher's truly low end speaker distortion, coming out of those
(Michigan built?) West Amps. More actual speaker distortion, I think, but, a really smooth, deep, fuzzlike sound. Cool slides he does to accentuate this.

3.Felix Pappaliardi on some (later) 'Mountain Live' tracks. I was just mulling over this sound this very eve. There is a version of 'Long Red' live, where that Gibson EB Violin bass lays down a veritable blazing firestorm of thick, thick, low - end clipping. A rollercoastering "zzziiizzzzzzzzz****!!", if you need a word approximation. From what I've read in an archived Felix interview, the bass itself was just wired w large outcaps & a stock pickup, but, the amps - presumably Sunn Concerts (?) - were said to be hotwired to distort. Man, do they ever!

Not to sideline Felix' pretty clever, astute choice of 'odd' sorts of riffs to showcase this particular tone.

Do any of you know more about this sound, bass-wise or amp-wise? Or, the article where I read about it? I've been breadboarding 1-opamp, diode-to-ground clipper circuits to try to nail this one via electronics alone.

4. West Coast Pop Art Experimental Band (whew) They have a cut "Carte Blanche" (the 2nd album, w gold-paint-sprayed personnel on the cover) where the fuzz guitar is very effectively low-tracked by an equally fuzzed out (as in FuzzFace, again?) supportive bassline. Sizzleblaze in tandem here.

5. Earlier on: There was a brief interview, like about 3 sentences long, w Jack Casady (in an odd 1967 teen fan mag) where it was said he had 'souped up' his Fender Jazz bass. He repied to the interviewer, ending w: "No, I won't discuss HOW I souped it up.." If you listen to 'Airplane Takes Off' ('Let me In' ,among other trax) & outtake cuts like "Go To Her" , you can definitely hear what sounds like a typical, LPB-type preamp boost hitting those Fender bass amps.

6. Oh, yeah - How could I forget the Music Machine's "Talk, Talk",from late '66. A proto Punk-Psych anthem, 'tis. Something thicked-out that bassline. My guess almost has to be a FuzzFace, since that was about the only late 60's, commercially available pedal that had large enough input/output capacitors to accomplish this.

Paul McCartney was using some kind of Maestro Fuzz (or Colorsound?) on 'Think For Yourself', @ least that's what I've read on fuzztone site histories.

7. I agree about Tim Bogert w Vanilla Fudge - his normal (untreated) sound was both formidable & cranked amp (read:clear) overdriven just the way it was. If you listen, you can hear this great drive on the outtake 'Where is My Mind" , esp. right at the songs' end. Or 'Some Velvet Morning' , off the 'Near the Beginning' album,yes- much heavier, fuzzier. I'd say that was more the result of cranked ampheads (or socked console gain?) than any fuzztone. He was using 3 bridged/cascaded Fender Bassman tops early on, once they started to gain notice as a live act. But he did try a (Mosrite Fuzzrite?) fuzz w some live gigs & tracks. It did have a 'thinning down' ,lowcut effect for a powerful, trill-running bassist such as Tim, but , I guess that any early experiments count here. They were definitely trying out different ways of OD'ing Tim's bass.

I always liked the pure low end, clearer drive stuff he typically used..it was a Fudge trademark...Cannonades, like a fireworks finale, in tandem w Carmine Appice's drums....Those fast trills could sound like a hurricane wind rippling as it was approaching over the ocean, dark, dramatic.... Not fuzz bass, but, I really think it's an iconic early bassdrive tone by & of itself.


8. For a really 'ratty' fuzztone bass, try the ending verse of Country Joe & the Fish' "Porpoise Mouth" , on the 1st Fish album. Ratty-sounding as hell, but, truly inkeeping w their 60's Berkeley, DIY-er, 'foolin' around w whatever's there in the studio' type of ethic. It's either menacing or comical (or both, knowing them)

Tonight's prevailing inner bass sound , tho (as I was going for pizza, lol) seems to be Felix's, on "Long Red' live. If anyone knows it's technology, pls post it.

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MLysh - you did get another one I was mulling over: Paul Revere & Raiders "Hungry"

Captain Beefheart on Rhino's "Nuggets" boxed CD set - song: "Diddy Wah Diddy". Thickstuff.

The Velvets - makes sense. Always experimenters, a la Sonic Youth later.

MC5 at all? Iggy & the Stooges: Is 'No Fun' just guitar fuzz, or is there a bass component in there?
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