I just got de-friended by Carol Kaye!

[JAUQO III-X]

Originally Posted by VanillaThundah

She's a jealous old woman

Do you know Carol Kaye. Carole is 77 years old and she is very sharp and smart.



Again check out the case she won against studio guitarist Tommy Tedesco in 1983. The ruling in her favor pissed off a lot of people.

[spigmu]

Originally Posted by bvdon123

I enjoy the music she made in the 60's but when she posted a comment on engineers I voiced my opinion that the mid 70's to early 80's were the pinnacle of recording because of the 24-track two inch tape and the idea of the 'concept album'. I mentioned "Aja", "Goucho", "Breakfast in America", "Back In Black", "Dark Side of the Moon", "Animals", "Rumors", etc. She said she didn't like that "music" -- too many drugs involved in the making.

Originally Posted by Audiophage

I actually agree with her on that. The only album of those I really care for is "Back in Black".

I was about to say the same thing, and that it gave me a newfound appreciation for Ms. Kaye! Except I do love Aja. But the rest of those are examples of albums I think are awful, but in spite of, not because, of the drugs. Maybe if they used twice as many drugs for twice as long they would have come out listenable to me.

I don't get what the problem is. I personally LOVE many people who can play who hate most of the **** I love and vice versa. That would not be a requirement to like them. The people who agree with me on everything (anything?) I have no respect for.

And if anyone is still "friends" with her, tell her that I was amazed to find out she played bass on "Feelin' Alright" but that I think I did more drugs to that song, and Joe Cocker in general, than any other album. So I blame her.

[Floyd Eye]

Originally Posted by spigmu

I was about to say the same thing, and that it gave me a newfound appreciation for Ms. Kaye! Except I do love Aja. But the rest of those are examples of albums I think are awful, but in spite of, not because, of the drugs. Maybe if they used twice as many drugs for twice as long they would have come out listenable to me.

I don't get what the problem is. I personally LOVE many people who can play who hate most of the **** I love and vice versa. That would not be a requirement to like them. The people who agree with me on everything (anything?) I have no respect for.

And if anyone is still "friends" with her, tell her that I was amazed to find out she played bass on "Feelin' Alright" but that I think I did more drugs to that song, and Joe Cocker in general, than any other album. So I blame her.

RE: Dark Side of the Moon, Animals and Rumours, millions and millions and millions of people disagree with you. DSOTM and Rumours are record breaking all time best selling albums.

[spigmu]

Originally Posted by Floyd Eye

RE: Dark Side of the Moon, Animals and Rumours, millions and millions and millions of people disagree with you. DSOTM and Rumours are record breaking all time best selling albums.

That's OK with me. I'm happy that everyone gets to listen to music they like.

[VanillaThundah]

Originally Posted by Phil Smith

Real simple, she's not him.

Ahh yes, humility must be genetic then...or is it a learned behavior? Surely somebody couldn't use the impossible resource of self-discipline to at least TRY and exhibit some humility when so many people have surpassed them in skill and reputation. the point is being humble, which everyone is capable of at least faking for the public.

Originally Posted by JAUQO III-X

Do you know Carol Kaye. Carole is 77 years old and she is very sharp and smart.

So only stupid people can be jealous? Apparently she isn't too smart, she can't seem to shut her 77 year old mouth and let things go....or stop taking credit for other dead people's work. Anyhow, this should explain the confusion for that:

[SoCal1]

Originally Posted by kenfxj

Since it has nothing to do with the OP, yes. Yes it is.

Credits for recorded singles on bass

"Soul Reggae" (Charles Kynard)
"Andmoreagain" (Love)
"Homeward Bound" (Simon and Garfunkel)
"California Girls, Sloop John B, Help Me, Rhonda, Heroes and Villains" (The Beach Boys)
"Natural Man" (Lou Rawls)
"Come Together" (Count Basie)
"Feelin' Alright" (Joe Cocker)
"I Think He's Hiding" (Randy Newman)
"Games People Play" (Mel Tormé)
"Cantaro" (Gene Ammons)
"Wait 'Til My Bobby Gets Home" (Darlene Love)
"Goin' Out Of My Head/Can't Take My Eyes Off You" (The Lettermen)
"Go Little Honda" (The Hondels)
"Hikky Burr" (Quincy Jones & Bill Cosby & TV theme)
"I'm a Believer" (The Monkees)
"Indian Reservation" (Paul Revere & the Raiders)
"In the Heat of the Night", "I Don't Need No Doctor", "America The Beautiful", "Understanding" (Ray Charles)
"It Must Be Him" (Vikki Carr)
"Little Green Apples" (O.C. Smith)
"Midnight Confessions" (The Grass Roots)
"Mission: Impossible Theme" (Lalo Schifrin)
"Mannix Theme" (Lalo Schifrin)
"Out of This World" (Nancy Wilson)
"Wichita Lineman" and "Rhinestone Cowboy" (Glen Campbell)
"River Deep - Mountain High" (Ike & Tina Turner)
"Scarborough Fair/Canticle" (Simon and Garfunkel)
"Sixteen Tons" (Tennessee Ernie Ford)
"Something Stupid" (Frank and Nancy Sinatra)
"These Boots Are Made for Walkin'" (Nancy Sinatra)
"This Diamond Ring" (Gary Lewis & the Playboys)
"The Twelfth of Never" (Johnny Mathis)
"The Way We Were" (Barbra Streisand)
"Soul & Inspiration" bass, "You've Lost That Lovin' Feelin'" guitar (The Righteous Brothers)
"Carry On" (JJ Cale) - JJ Cale Styles Book

Album credits on bass

Selected highlights include:

Pet Sounds (The Beach Boys)
Light My Fire (Gábor Szabó and Bob Thiele)
Song of Innocence (David Axelrod, 1968)
Songs of Experience (David Axelrod, 1969)
Release of an Oath (The Electric Prunes, 1968)
There's A Whole Lalo Schifrin Goin' On (Lalo Schifrin, 1968)
Dirty Harry (score by Lalo Schifrin, 1971)
Northern Windows (Hampton Hawes)
Big Man (Cannonball Adderley)
Reelin' With The Feelin' (Charles Kynard)
Cameo (Dusty Springfield, 1972)
Hugo In Wonder-land (Hugo Montenegro)
Your Good Thing (Lou Rawls)
You've Made Me So Very Happy (Lou Rawls)
The Funky Organ-ization of Henry Cain (Henry Cain)
The Zodiac : Cosmic Sounds
Pride (Pride) (1970)
Thumbs up (Ray Pizzi, Carol Kaye, Mitch Holder)(1999)
Picking Up On The E-String (Carol Kaye) (1995)
Freak Out! (Frank Zappa & The Mothers of Invention)1965
Absolutely Free (Frank Zappa & The Mothers of Invention) 1966
Cosmic Brotherhood (Bill Plummer, 1968)

Recorded credits on guitar

"Then He Kissed Me" (The Crystals)
"Danke Schoen" (Wayne Newton)
"Johnny Angel" (Shelley Fabares)
"La Bamba" (Ritchie Valens)
"Let's Dance" (Chris Montez)
"Needles and Pins" (Jackie DeShannon)
"The Beat Goes On" (Sonny & Cher)
"You've Lost That Lovin' Feeling" (The Righteous Brothers)
"The Birds and the Bees" (Jewel Akens), with a Leslie speaker effect
"Mannix Theme" (Lalo Schifrin)
"The Daily Planet" (Love)

What do you got?

Despite the fact that the # 1 Wrecking Crew bassist IMO Joe Osborn ACTUALLY played on This Diamond Ring and Midnight Confessions (to name just a couple on your list), Itks not even in doubt BY the Funk Brothers that Jamerson played on Bernadette and I Was Made To Love Her (as Carol has falsely claimed)...anyone with half an ear can easily discern those songs as fingered...NOT picked...

[Phil Smith]

Originally Posted by VanillaThundah

Ahh yes, humility must be genetic then...or is it a learned behavior? Surely somebody couldn't use the impossible resource of self-discipline to at least TRY and exhibit some humility when so many people have surpassed them in skill and reputation. the point is being humble, which everyone is capable of at least faking for the public.

She's real and speaks her mind and I can see where people would be offended by that, but even today, by most metrics she can smoke most folks on the bass.

IMO, anyone if they were smart would jump at the opportunity to hang with her for a day or two, even if it's just to hear some of the stories which I find fascinating.

[Phil Smith]

Originally Posted by SoCal1

Despite the fact that the # 1 Wrecking Crew bassist IMO Joe Osborn ACTUALLY played on This Diamond Ring and Midnight Confessions (to name just a couple on your list), Itks not even in doubt BY the Funk Brothers that Jamerson played on Bernadette and I Was Made To Love Her (as Carol has falsely claimed)...anyone with half an ear can easily discern those songs as fingered...NOT picked...

Irrelevant, she's still a historical bass figure that's still alive despite the handful of questionable tracks...don't miss seeing the forest because of a single leaf.

[dustinfennessey]

cranky...old...lady.

[DanBass]

Originally Posted by JAUQO III-X

Carol is very much entitled to her opinion(s). Her views on some of the recordings may not be all that different from other musicians or none musicians who just listen to music and choose to like what they like or not like.

Carol is a warrior and does not take any bs from any one. People can sit back and have none hands on experience about musicians based off of what some body else may have said, not taking into account that maybe the ones who are always talking bs were/are the ones on bs themselves.

Carole is very smart and yes opinionated, that makes a problem for some men in the industry who feels that women should never speak their mind and doesn't accept any bs from them.


Do some research on what happened to studio guitar legend Tommy Tedesco for calling Carole a negative name during a session.

And with Carole it's really not about her way or the highway. She has experiences within the industry that many here may never obtain and for the most part her experiences are hers hes and it really can't be denied.

I couldn't agree with this more. She was a lone female in an male dominated industry. All things considered, she did pretty well.. On that journey, she likely had to build quite a steely (no Dan pun intended) exterior to put up with big mouths and testosterone.

I have had nothing but good informative experiences with Carol, whether it is gear advice, or sharing a cool story from back in the day.

Maybe she's a bit Carolesque, but I respect the bass elder.

She's ok by me. If she doesn't like Pink Floyd, I won't get into a twist about it. I'll spin Pet Sounds one more time.

[SoCal1]

Originally Posted by Phil Smith

Irrelevant, she's still a historical bass figure that's still alive despite the handful of questionable tracks...don't miss seeing the forest because of a single leaf.

Historical bass figure???I agree... Irrelevant??? Then I suppose that other historical plagiarists like Stephen Ambrose, Richard Owen, and H.G.Wells should also be given a pass with their tattered reputations intact.

[Floyd Eye]

Originally Posted by Phil Smith

by most metrics she can smoke most folks on the bass.

That is extremely objectionable.

[DanBass]

Originally Posted by SoCal1

Despite the fact that the # 1 Wrecking Crew bassist IMO Joe Osborn ACTUALLY played on This Diamond Ring and Midnight Confessions (to name just a couple on your list), Itks not even in doubt BY the Funk Brothers that Jamerson played on Bernadette and I Was Made To Love Her (as Carol has falsely claimed)...anyone with half an ear can easily discern those songs as fingered...NOT picked...

What is to be gained by laying claim on a song that you didn't play on? I am not being an apologist for CK, but couldn't there have been circumstances that warranted multiple players for some reason on a given track? (illness, disagreement, etc)

Seems to me in that era, there were a handful, fraternity if you will, of qualified musicians that were utilized for session work. JJ was one, CK, etc.

Unless present in the room in 1967, during the WHOLE session, without the in your face social media, cameras everywhere, instant gratification, how do we really know the intimate details?

Liner notes? Bah.

I'll take the stories. Cause they are cool to listen to. Tell me you sat in with Quincy, Sam Cooke, Ray Charles, Lou Rawls, Brian Wilson. (dream sequence......)

Carol is old school. I mean look at the Grammys now. CRAP. Look at the Academy Awards now. The clientele. Classless when compared to 35-40 years ago.

Humanity has indeed hit a pothole and lost a wheel cover.

(this is fun!)

[Floyd Eye]

Guess what folks? I didn't want to say anything, but I actually do all the bass for Primus in the studio. Don't believe what Les and his producers say, Larry LaLonde either ( dude's a stoner). Of course, I have no proof of this since I signed no contracts and was paid for my work in BLTs, but hey, those guys can't prove it either. My friends will all vouch for my magnanimous character and personality. So there it is. I'm glad to finally get this off my chest.

[SoCal1]

Originally Posted by DanBass

What is to be gained by laying claim on a song that you didn't play on? I am not being an apologist for CK, but couldn't there have been circumstances that warranted multiple players for some reason on a given track? (illness, disagreement, etc)

Seems to me in that era, there were a handful, fraternity if you will, of qualified musicians that were utilized for session work. JJ was one, CK, etc.

Unless present in the room in 1967, during the WHOLE session, without the in your face social media, cameras everywhere, instant gratification, how do we really know the intimate details?

Liner notes? Bah.

I'll take the stories. Cause they are cool to listen to. Tell me you sat in with Quincy, Sam Cooke, Ray Charles, Lou Rawls, Brian Wilson. (dream sequence......)

Carol is old school. I mean look at the Grammys now. CRAP. Look at the Academy Awards now. The clientele. Classless when compared to 35-40 years ago.

Humanity has indeed hit a pothole and lost a wheel cover.

(this is fun!)

I think Funk Brother guitar section leader Joe Messina knows who doubled his guitar line on I Was Made To Love Her! Joe has never even MET Ms. Kaye...

[Phil Smith]

Originally Posted by Floyd Eye

Guess what folks? I didn't want to say anything, but I actually do all the bass for Primus in the studio. Don't believe what Les and his producers say, Larry LaLonde either ( dude's a stoner). Of course, I have no proof of this since I signed no contracts and was paid for my work in BLTs, but hey, those guys can't prove it either. My friends will all vouch for my magnanimous character and personality. So there it is. I'm glad to finally get this off my chest.

LOL, I don't who you are, but I'm willing to bet you haven't played on a fraction of the records/tracks that CK has. We can hear the tracks she's played on, where can we hear you?

[BogeyBass]

anybody can have grumpy days.

Engaging in a random debate with some random guy on the internet.
I could see why she would defriend you. But its understandable
why she would. Guess it just sucks when that random guy is you.

I would love to hang out with her for a day just to hear stories.
Maybe jam too....

But if we are talking about Pink Floyd Animals, that is to bad...
Its one of my favorite albums. I have bought at least 10 copys
of it over the years. And most likely heard it more than a 1000 times.

Pink Floyd Sheep

[THand]

Originally Posted by JAUQO III-X

Do you know Carol Kaye. Carole is 77 years old and she is very sharp and smart.



Again check out the case she won against studio guitarist Tommy Tedesco in 1983. The ruling in her favor pissed off a lot of people.

Links?....yes, I searched.

[mcblahflooper94]

She's just jealous because she can't sing as beautifully as Clare Torry

[SoCal1]

Originally Posted by THand

Links?....yes, I searched.

She also tried to sue a guy who has a website called "Bassland" dedicated to Jamerson. He told her to bring it on. She put her tail between her legs and backed down. I hope I'm never involved in an accident with her and her band of ambulance chasers.