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07-23-2004, 01:20 AM
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Not the first to make electric bass a up-front instrument... nowhere close.
IMHO, Geezer Butler was the first bassist to bring the instrument to the forefront and show people how to rock out. |
07-23-2004, 01:29 AM
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07-23-2004, 02:07 AM
|  | Unprofessional TalkBass Contributor | | Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Brighton, England, UK, Europe | | Well Jaco was not a rock player full stop - he was never about "rocking out!! 
It was all about getting electric bass accepted as a valid instrument and featured soloist in Jazz!
If you think Jaco is anything to do with rock - then you don't understand what he was doing, in any way!
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07-23-2004, 08:04 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Austin, Texas | | | I'm not sure what you mean by "up-front." I love Geezer's work and he's an inspiration. But the focus on BS was usually on Ozzy or Tony, not Geezer.
If you saying Geezer made bass a more melodic component of the music, sure. If you're saying he was a soloist that commanded the general audience's attention, I'm not sure I agree. At least not in the way Jaco or any "bass soloist" has done.
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07-23-2004, 08:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Mike Money IMHO, Geezer Butler was the first bassist to bring the instrument to the forefront and show people how to rock out. |
and Geezer (who was my main inspiration to start playing 24 years ago AND I have Vol 4, Master of Reality and Mob Rules queued up on Random currently).... learned to be from following Jack Bruce. IMHO the "REAL" upfront rockin out players of the pre late 60s-early 70s all thought our funny little mutant guitars were toys.   |
07-23-2004, 08:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Mike Money Not the first to make electric bass a up-front instrument... nowhere close.
IMHO, Geezer Butler was the first bassist to bring the instrument to the forefront and show people how to rock out. | Feel better now that you got that off your chest? 
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07-23-2004, 08:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Kavorka I'm not sure what you mean by "up-front." I love Geezer's work and he's an inspiration. But the focus on BS was usually on Ozzy or Tony, not Geezer.
If you saying Geezer made bass a more melodic component of the music, sure. If you're saying he was a soloist that commanded the general audience's attention, I'm not sure I agree. At least not in the way Jaco or any "bass soloist" has done. | That's right - Jimmy Page, Jimi Hendrix, Richie Blackmore and many other guitarists , were respected as soloists in heavy rock/metal, but bass players were there to fill out the bottom end, keep the music grooving and rocking!!
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07-23-2004, 08:20 AM
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07-23-2004, 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Mike Money IMHO, Geezer Butler was the first bassist to bring the instrument to the forefront and show people how to rock out. |
Mike and Black Sabbath sittin in a tree...
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07-23-2004, 10:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Mike Money (Jaco)Not the first to make electric bass a up-front instrument... nowhere close.
IMHO, Geezer Butler was the first bassist to bring the instrument to the forefront and show people how to rock out. | James Jamerson came before both of those guys.
But whats the point? I dont think many claim that Jaco was the first to make the bass more noticible. |
07-23-2004, 10:02 AM
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07-23-2004, 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by metron James Jamerson came before both of those guys.
But whats the point? I dont think many claim that Jaco was the first to make the bass more noticible. |
That's right - Jaco was just the first to make bass guitar "respectable" in Jazz, as a solo instrument and made some great music - but really who cares about anybody being the first at anything - music's not a race and the beauty of it, is that you can enjoy music that was created in the 15th Century, or last night!!! 
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07-23-2004, 10:34 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: North Kingstown, Rhode Island | | | What are you trying to accomplish here Mike?
Were you trying to start a fight with your lack of chronology knowlege?
Why are you still here, you no longer add anything positive, or at least vaguely positive to talkbass anymore.
All of your recent posts have been one word posts, or little snips and jabs here and there.
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07-23-2004, 10:40 AM
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Endorsing Artist: Kohlman Bassworks | | Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Hampton Roads, Virginia | | | I don't know anything about Geezer but did he play a 'fretless' bass?? This is where Jaco was a standout! A true virtuoso that knew how to make a fretless bass sing. Also, he played his solos as if they were another instrument not just as a bass. Very trumpetlike in quality. And, Stanley Clarke was on the scene way before Jaco! |
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my first thought was to lock this... then I said "WTH" and posted... then I was gonna quote Bruce's "Not a race" bit with a lock (well put Bruce)... then desided "too Police state... let it ride, Cass will come along and close it "
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Why should I let Cass have all the fun 
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