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A guide to Kurt Danielson's bass tones for TAD.

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I think it's time for Kurt to get his long overdue massive respect. He had a ton of different bass tones, and he's an extremely talented player who really knows what he's doing.
TAD wouldn't have been the same if you were to take him out of the band. Here are a few of his numerous bass tones. Ladies and gentlemen, TAD, the most underrated band in the last 20 years...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEArEFfFOB4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3uZHf09bNM

these next songs are good examples of he made the band sound crushing as a whole, even while being a 3 piece.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydWdbUT1300

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pucrTEwkFvs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3IP27bsAmJc





I used to talk to Kurt himself a lot last year, but he's been busy lately, so i catch him now and then. He's told me in detail how he got all of his bass tones for the TAD records and so-forth, so if you want to know how he got one of the tones from one of the songs here, or from another TAD song/ record (such as maybe Inhaler, Gods Balls, Salt Lick, or 8-way Santa) just say so and i'll spill the beans :]




NOTE: Scroll down for a descriptive guide on all of the TAD bass tones.
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8-Way Santa is awesome, I even have the cassette with the garage sale photo So I wouldnt mind if you spilled some beans about 8-way (any song) We use to cover Jack Pepsi in the early 90s.. it always went over well, though most people thought it was our song
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8-Way Santa is awesome, I even have the cassette with the garage sale photo So I wouldnt mind if you spilled some beans about 8-way (any song) We use to cover Jack Pepsi in the early 90s.. it always went over well, though most people thought it was our song
Hahaha. I've seen countless bands who get credit for TAD's songs on accident x]

But, for the whole 8 way santa album, he used his usual `62 (not a reissue) Fender Precision bass tuned for the E and D songs, and a newer black Fender P bass with a P/J pickup configuration tuned CGCG. Both of the basses had active EMG pickups, and he used and uses heavy gauge Rotosound and GHS roundwound strings.

As far as the amp setup goes, he used a Gallien Krueger 800RB amp into a 2x15 cab by the brand name of "Paradise". He used a Pro-co RAT dirt box for some of the songs on 8-Way Santa, like "Trash Truck" and so forth.



Hope this helps man! Don't hesitate to ask more questions if you must.
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Which songs were tuned CGCG? SO he only used a Proco for dirt. I thought he might of used some superfuzz bigmuff like Mudhoney.
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Which songs were tuned CGCG? SO he only used a Proco for dirt. I thought he might of used some superfuzz bigmuff like Mudhoney.
Oh sorry. I remembered wrong, he didn't have the bass tuned CGCG yet, so no songs on the record were in that tuning as far as i know.. seems that he used the `62 P all the way through. I know for sure that he aquired the newer P bass sometime in `91, though.

Yea, he only used the pro co for dirt

I thought it was some kind of Muff at first myself, but he identified it to be a RAT at a high gain setting. His tones were great on 8-Way Santa, Salt Lick, and God's Balls, but around `92 when they started making some good money from being signed to a major label he started getting extremely awesome sounding distortion tones, due to having the ability to choose a lot more equipment of better quality. But, that happens to everyone who gets signed to a major, eh?
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So he had CGCG tunings on Inhaler?
I need to revisit that recording.. probably the least listen to Tad CD in my collection.
I dont own Infrared Riding Hood though, what do you think of that CD?
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So he had CGCG tunings on Inhaler?
I need to revisit that recording.. probably the least listen to Tad CD in my collection.
I dont own Infrared Riding Hood though, what do you think of that CD?
Yep. He had the CGCG P bass on Inhaler, and Infrared. I love Inhaler. Even though it does sound a bit polished compared to their earlier work, as does Infrared, it's still an amazing album. All of their work was spectacular, imo.

The Infrared album was groundbreaking for me when i first heard it. You can find copies floating around on ebay or amazon for like 4 dollars. Amazing deal. Here are 3 of the 12 tracks from Infrared just to give you an idea of the sound. The bass tone is, again, amazing, so if you want to know about the Inhaler, Infrared, so on and so on albums, i can help.

Infrared:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4focJ9et2sY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3uZHf09bNM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydWdbUT1300

Also, i uploaded my copy of the "Salem" EP from 1992 to youtube, and that's awesome too. Check it out-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msSplnWeCOg

http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=I-O2...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=tGOA...eature=related


I also found on youtube a few days ago that someone uploaded their last single they released before breaking up. It's only two songs. But they're crazy good and show a whole different direction from the same TAD. But, i was talking to Kurt, and he said that they recorded a whole album (in which these tracks were on) in `98 and they just need someone to release it. They're hoping to release it sometime this year.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pucrTEwkFvs

http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=3IP2...eature=related




I've been thinking about just making this thread one where i just post links to a song or two in each album (that i can find online) and describing the bass gear/ technique used to get the tone. Think i should?
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Awesome! Tad rules, one of my favorite bands in the early, early 90's. To answer your question, Yes I think you should post a few songs and describe gear, technique, tone, tunings, and any other info you might have.. Before long people will catch on to how good a bassist Kurt is.
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Awesome! Tad rules, one of my favorite bands in the early, early 90's. To answer your question, Yes I think you should post a few songs and describe gear, technique, tone, tunings, and any other info you might have.. Before long people will catch on to how good a bassist Kurt is.
Hopefully. I think he was probably the best bassist of the 90's. But, that in my opinion. I might as well say, the best bassist of that particular "style" of that time period.

I hope to keep this thread going so i can turn more people on to TAD and let people see how great of a bassist Kurt was. I'll start on that mega-post right now..
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Kurt Danielson's bass tones for TAD;(These are going in chronilogical order of the years of the release dates. I'll post a link or two with a song from that album, single, or EP.) (Also, please note that the "62 P bass" I refer to is an actual `62 P bass, not a reissue.) (When i say "songs:", i only put some of the songs, not the whole record. I only did this with Salem, since it only has 3 tracks)

Gods Balls- The `62 P bass was used in E and D tunings. It had active EMG pickups throught the band's career. It had either heavy gauge Rotosound stainless roundwounds, or heavy gauge GHS stainless roundwounds, depending on whichever he was using at the time. He used both kinds of strings throught the TAD career, and still uses them both to this day. He changes strings whenever he can afford to. So, I wont explain the strings again, as it is the same on every (studio) record.
For the amp/ cab set-up on God's Balls, his amp was a Gallien Krueger 800rb. He hooked this up to an 18" Energy cabinet, as well as a 10" Energy cabinet. He had installed a Macauley speaker into both of them. He ran all of this through a Pro-Co RAT dirt box, and used it for some, if not all of the songs on God's Balls.

Here are two tracks from God's Balls:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8eu9h4tN-I

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4louOXPp7LE

Salt Lick- For this, since it wasn't really a "planned" EP, he didn't bring all of his equipment. He used the `62 P bass for the E and D tunings. The amp used was a 50 watt Traynor combo amp with a 15" speaker. This amp wasn't Kurt's, it was Steve Albini's (he recorded the EP).
Songs:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lE5APzEKsFY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DX0WiCJEnUA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxbbsirnOxQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=5ymL...eature=related

8-Way Santa- Ah, how could you not love this album? Pure raw power and geniusness.

He used the `62 P bass for his bass throught the whole album. This was used for the D and E tunings.
For the amp setup, he used the Gallien Krueger
800rb again. He ran this through a Paradise 2x15 bass cabinet. All of this ran through a Pro-Co RAT, which he used on some of the songs. On the track 3-D Witchhunt, he went in and overdubbed a second bass track with the high octave of the bass line. Songs:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csmybgZLK8M

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYcwjBG4nTk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESHdAqjqqQI

http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=MJhZ...eature=related




Salem- He used the `62 P bass again. Amp-wise, he used an Ampeg SVT-II (non-pro). He hooked it up to a Sunn 4x12 guitar cabinet. The EP (3 songs):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msSplnWeCOg

http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=I-O2...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=tGOA...eature=related

Inhaler- Inhaler marked the beggining of which Kurt started to use more complex rigs and recording methods.

Basses: For the songs tuned E and D, he used the `62 P bass. Then, he bought a newer 90's black Fender P with a P/J pickup combination. This bass had the same strings as the `62, and the same pickups as well (active EMG's), but in a P/J form. This bass was intonated and used for songs tuned to CGCG.

Amps & pedals: For the clean tracks on the album, he used the Ampeg SVT-II through an old Ampeg 8x10 cabinet with the speaker grille cloth removed. For songs that involved dirty tracks as well, he used the same Ampeg head/ cab setup for one channel, and then, using an ABY box, he ran the bass through another channel to get a dirty signal. He used a Marshall Guv'nor dirt box (the original black one with red stripes, made in the UK or Korea) through a really old Fender tweed guitar combo amp. He blended the two channels together to get a semi-conglamerate distorted tone. Throught the whole album, he went back and recorded a third track on top of everything direct to the mixing board with a SansAmp bass preamp. This was the old version of the BDDI that had controls on the inside that you had to manipulate with a small guage flat-head screw driver. Songs:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEArEFfFOB4

This was the only song on youtube from Inhaler that hasn't been blocked for copyright reasons. It's a live version of the song, and even though the sound of the bass comes really close in comparison to the one on the record, and even sounds better in some respects, it was a different setup. For that particular live show, he used the `62 P bass which you can see, through the Ampeg SVT-II for the clean sound. He then ran the ABY box to split the clean channel, and he ran the Marshall Guv'nor dirt box through a modified HiWatt DR-103 tube guitar head to get the distorted channel. Both of these amps were ran through the same Sunn 4x12 guitar cabinet. NOTE: On all of the recordings that he used the Sunn 4x12 cab, he had blown the speakers in that cabinet, and doctored them to a degree, and that was one of the key things to obtaining the sound. If you want to listen to the whole studio produced version of the album, you can go to Lala.com and search "TAD".

Infrared Riding Hood- This album contained his most complex recording rig with TAD.

Basses: He used the `62 P bass for the E tuned songs, a new black Fender Jazz bass with active EMG's (same as the others, and same strings) for the D tunings, and the black P P/J bass for the CGCG tuned songs.

Amps/ pedals: Note first, he used a split clean/ dirty rig for all of the songs on this album, but he used the tracks in different proportions. Some songs relied more on the dirty tracks, and others relied more on the clean track.

For the clean setup, he was using two Mesa Boogie bass 400 heads, each with all 6L6 preamp tubes. He chained these together, and each seperate head was hooked up to it's own Mesa Boogie 8x10 cabinet and 1x15 cabinet. He miked all of the cabinets at once. His second track contained of him running one of his basses (depending on the song, like all of the other tracks) through the Marshall Guv'nor pedal with the gain cranked and the mids turned down. He then ran the pedal into an old B-15 head hooked up to the also ancient B-15 cabinet. That was the first distorted track. The last track he did was direct into the mixing board with his SansAmp preamp. This was distorted to a degree. He mixed all of these tracks together to get the final result. You may notice that the distorted tracks have a scooped sound to them, but the tone itself had a massive amount of midrange. As you can see by the songs below, this cuts through the mix very well. He told me that you can't focus on one element of the tone too much, because they can only achieve a sound like that together. Songs:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4focJ9et2sY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FYZ1QEhZsw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3uZHf09bNM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydWdbUT1300


THE FINAL RECORDINGS- This album hasn't been released yet, but a single containing two of the tracks from the album was released on vinyl in `98. I'll post the link to these songs below. The album is set to be released hopefully sometime in 2010; they just need somebody to release it for them. I don't know who wouldn't want to release a TAD album.

For this album, he used the `62 P bass all the way through. He might have used the black P bass, but he didn't say anything about that.

This was probably his best tone he ever got with TAD, imo. It was obtained fairly simply, unlike Infrared Riding Hood. He ran both of the Mesa Boogie heads at the same time, with the same settings, to create an extremely fat, warm, balcanced, cutting tone. He cranked the Mesa heads, and that's how he got the overdrive tone. He ran each one through a Mesa Boogie 1x15 cabinet. Simple as that. Songs:

http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=3IP2...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=pucr...eature=related

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Kurt used and still uses Clayton .80mm picks.

That's all that he's told me about his tones. I covered pretty much all of the TAD releases, except for Live Alien Broadcasts, and a few obscure singles that had the same amp setups as one of the albums. If you want to know how he got the tone for Infrared live, he didn't get the exact tone. He got something similar, but he says no one complained. He used all of the cabinets and both of the heads and cranked them both.

If you have anymore questions regarding Kurt's tones or anything, go ahead and ask. Feel free to comment on this post, and anything else, as well as discuss TAD things, and all of that stuff. Anything to do with or related to the subject. I hope i helped anyone who wanted to know about his tones.



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Awesome! Tad rules, one of my favorite bands in the early, early 90's. To answer your question, Yes I think you should post a few songs and describe gear, technique, tone, tunings, and any other info you might have.. Before long people will catch on to how good a bassist Kurt is.
Ok man, i posted the post with all of the info on it.
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Wow! Very thorough. This thread tis a thing of beauty.
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Ok man, i posted the post with all of the info on it.
All I can say is Awesome! Thats probably the best source of info for one bassist on this forum. Great Job! Maybe now some other bassists can discover Kurt. Cant wait for someone to release thier new CD.
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All I can say is Awesome! Thats probably the best source of info for one bassist on this forum. Great Job! Maybe now some other bassists can discover Kurt. Cant wait for someone to release thier new CD.
Thanks man! I wanted to make sure i didn't skip any information. I hope other bassists discorver Kurt. No one else (as far as i know) has this kind of information on his gear/ recording methods, so i deceded to post it, hoping people who liked TAD would appreciate it. I got lucky since i talked to him to begin with, but someone else trying to find out about this stuff would have no luck, you know? That's the beauty of this thread.


I can't wait until someone releases the last CD either.. did you hear those tracks i posted? It sounds like they went backwards from Infrared back to 8-Way Santa.. except different sounding. I mean all of this in a good way, of course.
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Wow! Very thorough. This thread tis a thing of beauty.
Thanks man!
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TAD changed my outlook on music. I suggest any one interested to pick up a copy of their documentary, "Busted Circuits and Ringing Ears." It's genius. Kurt is in my top five bassists, so thank you for posting all this information!
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TAD changed my outlook on music. I suggest any one interested to pick up a copy of their documentary, "Busted Circuits and Ringing Ears." It's genius. Kurt is in my top five bassists, so thank you for posting all this information!
No problem man. Anytime. And I have that documentary, it's great!
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Wow this is the most passionate thread I have seen on talkbass.
Second only to that FS post where a guy's dog sprayed brown all over his EHX micro synth.
I have backburnered a zine that just lists album by album or tour by tour increda-rigs.
Thank you for your passion about the tone colors that our bass heroes use to cause the front row at a TAD show to poop themselves.
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When I was younger I had heard albums where there was a song or two with distorted bass, but Infrared Riding Hood was the first one I heard that had it on every song, it made quite an impression on me. I love all of Tad's stuff, but bass tone wise that would be my favourite. Great thread btw Flipper43
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