Is Marcus Miller overrated? - Page 10

bottomzone · #**181** 03-02-2012, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by tony grey

Interesting you say generic Licks but he invented them. He is a total Master of his instrument and craft, he has inspired most of us bass players directly or indirectly since he came on the scene.
I was lucky enough to sit with him in one of his rehearsals in Tokyo and Jam, he had chops I couldn't get my head around, he plays out of choice and his personal taste but believe me it's a choice, he has it all. Not to mention the total command and respect of a band. He is a servant to the song he is playing, nothing to do with ego, now that's a true master
I owe a lot to Marcus Miller for my playing.

Thank you, Tony-consider this thread closed!

A Groove is a Terrible Thing to Waste!

onosson · #**182** 03-02-2012, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Cheese

If Tony Grey says Marcus Miller has chops he can't wrap his head around, the rest of us need to simply shut up and listen to the music.

There ya go.

Tupac · #**183** 03-02-2012, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Cheese

If Tony Grey says Marcus Miller has chops he can't wrap his head around, the rest of us need to simply shut up and listen to the music.

You definitely have a point there, haha. Tony is great.

tony grey · #**184** 03-03-2012, 12:07 AM

Well it's just my opinion I guess at the end of the day you dig his music or you don't but as a bassist I: think there are few better if any really

genmed42 · #**185** 03-03-2012, 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by tony grey

Interesting you say generic Licks but he invented them. He is a total Master of his instrument and craft, he has inspired most of us bass players directly or indirectly since he came on the scene.
I was lucky enough to sit with him in one of his rehearsals in Tokyo and Jam, he had chops I couldn't get my head around, he plays out of choice and his personal taste but believe me it's a choice, he has it all. Not to mention the total command and respect of a band. He is a servant to the song he is playing, nothing to do with ego, now that's a true master
I owe a lot to Marcus Miller for my playing.

Wow! that's awesome Tony, congrats and pic to prove it, that's cool, you must be a damn good BP yourself.

lowfreqgeek · #**186** 03-04-2012, 11:23 PM

Hiram Bullock with Dizzy Gillespie www.hirambullock.com - YouTube

Dazey · #**187** 03-05-2012, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by dontay

Hell No! He has tons of grammys and has produced hits for Miles Davis, Luther Vandross, David Sanborn, Bob James, Chaka Khan and others. You don't have a career like that if your not good. The music business doesnt work that way.

Marcus is amazing but i would not measure his talent by the amount of grammys he's won.

JAUQO III-X · #**188** 03-05-2012, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Dazey

i would not measure his talent by the amount of grammys he's won.

I really don't think to many people do.

I think the majority of those familiar with Marcus Miller recognizes that he is extremely talented far beyond receiving one or a bunch grammy's.

Those in the know, know that grammy's don't mean nothing.

Dazey · #**189** 03-05-2012, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by JAUQO III-X

Those in the know, know that grammy's don't mean nothing.

agreed or +1 or whatever you fools on here say

ugly_bassplayer · #**190** 03-05-2012, 09:34 PM

I have a really honest question, no sarcasm at all.

How could someone come to the conclusion to believe Mr Miller as "overrated"??

Dazey · #**191** 03-05-2012, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by ugly_bassplayer

I have a really honest question, no sarcasm at all.

How could someone come to the conclusion to believe Mr Miller as "overrated"??

I'm 90% sure that OP is trying to different and edgy. Either that or his definition of overrated is not liking an artists music.

I might be 100% wrong though. Either way someone said earlier in the thread that he was digging through some of his posts and saw that OP didn't even know how to pluck the strings on his bass in 2009.

ugly_bassplayer · #**192** 03-05-2012, 09:43 PM

ok, so someone with a whole 2 years experience on the bass , calls out MM as overated.
Wow.

Dr_Funkdamental · #**193** 03-05-2012, 10:30 PM

I think he does what most professionals and greats do to us. Their skill becomes so fluid and smoothly communicated that it seems simple enough for the average joe to pick up, thus seeming underrated. It lulls us to sleep with this simplicity that masks the truly technical and mental prowess the pro took to get there. Alot of times ppl think pro means play everything with blazing chops, wow factor licks, etc., not play less, sit in the pocket, to the song.

edwinhurwitz · #**194** 03-05-2012, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Tupac

In my opinion, he is. Very much. I just don't see the appeal. His riffs come off as generic. I don't know why on Earth people bash Flea for simplicity yet praise this as a grand master bass solo. So people, explain why or why not Marcus is overrated.

Flame suit = on

Alright, I'm jumping from the top of the thread to the bottom, so I'm sure someone has made my point already, but when Marcus hit the scene, he was pretty unique. The first thing I heard from him was Fat Time when Mile's The Man With the Horn came out. It was a life changer for me, hearing the way he grooved with Al Foster. Then I saw that band a few times in 1982 and it was just an amazing experience. No one was doing that kind of music back then. Foster, Stern, all those guys just had a synergy and the way Miles ran the group was masterful. Fast forward 5 years and every lame ass jazz/funk band and bass player, including me, was doing those one chord funk jams. Marcus is a great player, no doubt. The very fact that he seems generic proves the point because he defined the genre. I can understand why you ask the question, but it's sort of like asking if Bob Marley or Chuck Berry isn't a bit clichéd. Given your response, it's clear that it's not just a question of you had to be there, but damn, being there was great! The Miles shows were cool, but so was seeing him at the little clubs before that band gave him a higher profile (on the other hand, there were some CRAZY Mike Stern gigs in those days, too.).

edwinhurwitz · #**195** 03-05-2012, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by ugly_bassplayer

I have a really honest question, no sarcasm at all.

How could someone come to the conclusion to believe Mr Miller as "overrated"??

Because if you come along years after someone has defined a genre, it can seem like everyone who plays like that is generic, including the guy that invented it.

Plus kids today are so damn spoiled.

Hey, you! Get offa my lawn!

sforzato · #**196** 03-05-2012, 10:59 PM

I don't think Miles Davis believed Marcus was overrated. That clip wasn't an overly impressive solo and not a very good description of his abilities.

T-MOST · #**197** 03-14-2012, 01:39 PM

yes.... he's rated "over" most!

basses55 · #**198** 03-14-2012, 02:59 PM

Marcus, for me, is in that rare category of "inspirational".

More than "great bassist" or "envelope pushing", its about his ability to move me with his musicality. Thats a whole different depth of musician. Its also a matter of individual taste like with any artist (no matter what the art) at the highest level.

Yes he's done envelope pushing things in tone and in technique, but they were as a compliment to his musicality and not necessarily to push the envelope IMO...or at least to me it sounds that way (which is partly my point).

There are plenty of great players out there these days, but very , very few that make me feel something when they play the instrument no matter if what he is doing at that moment stacks up to the latest techniques or not, or how complex the harmonic content is.... and he can stack up on both accounts. There are players who make me think, but fewer who inspire through their emotion/soul. I think that may be one of the biggest reasons he's so immitated- why he has this kind of impact.

I think he's caused this kind of commotion in the Bass World for so long not just because of the love of his tone, or cool licks in solos, or fancy slap technique, but because so many can feel the depth of his musical soul.

KennethB · #**199** 03-17-2012, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by basses55

I think he's caused this kind of commotion in the Bass World for so long not just because of the love of his tone, or cool licks in solos, or fancy slap technique, but because so many can feel the depth of his musical soul.

+1. But that tone he's getting out of that Jazz is something special!

slapfunk987 · #**200** 03-24-2012, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by ugly_bassplayer

Than man is a bass legend, but I think I'm going to skip his fretless playing.

"Forevermore" does not highlight the caliber of his fretless playing at all...

If you want to see Marcus' fretless playing at his best, try the tune "Moons"
Marcus Miller - Moons - YouTube

or this fretless solo...
Marcus Miller - Fretless Bass Solo - YouTube