Meshell Ndegeocello & Pino Palladino live@One Shot Not(october 2011)

Randy Newton · #1 10-03-2011, 03:28 AM

Meshell Ndegeocello OneShotNot 2011 - YouTube

cnltb · #2 10-03-2011, 03:50 AM

Interesting!
Thanks for posting!

Jibudo · #3 10-03-2011, 03:57 AM

That's it! The flats are going back to my yamaha bb!

Randy Newton · #4 10-03-2011, 03:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Jibudo

That's it! The flats are going back to my yamaha bb!

Once you go flat, you can't go back

dexter.nl · #5 10-03-2011, 04:14 AM

They make a great combo!! Thanks for sharing!

Dr. Cheese · #6 10-03-2011, 05:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Randy Newton

Once you go flat, you can't go back

You can have your flats. I much prefer the feel of roundwounds.

Dr. Cheese · #7 10-03-2011, 09:30 AM

I am really digging this clip! Pino is great at recalling old school grooves, and the little duet with him and Meshell is sweet too.

faivy · #8 10-03-2011, 09:52 AM

Thanks for posting. This is brilliant!

bass12 · #9 10-03-2011, 10:39 AM

I saw this the other day. Having always loved Esther Phillips' version of "Home Is Where The Hatred Is" I was disappointed with this performance; not because of Me'shell or Pino but because of Manu Katché. His playing just didn't suit the song at all. I mean, did he even bother to listen to the lyrics? That song a heavy commentary on drug addiction and abuse and he's dancing around on the drums as if it's some upbeat jazz standard. Not happening (though the rest of the band sounds great).

Carver · #10 10-03-2011, 11:05 AM

Lovin' that arrangement of Butterfly...Gretchen Parlato's voice is super sexy.

Fretless1! · #11 10-03-2011, 11:09 AM

Yes, Sir!

Kwesi · #12 10-03-2011, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by bass12

I saw this the other day. Having always loved Esther Phillips' version of "Home Is Where The Hatred Is" I was disappointed with this performance; not because of Me'shell or Pino but because of Manu Katché. His playing just didn't suit the song at all. I mean, did he even bother to listen to the lyrics? That song a heavy commentary on drug addiction and abuse and he's dancing around on the drums as if it's some upbeat jazz standard. Not happening (though the rest of the band sounds great).

I guess everyone listens to music differently but I'm starting to notice that some folks really aren't fond of reinterpretations that differ in "feel" from the original. I'm not really one for lyrics most of the time but just because the feel was changed does that really mean that the song has lost that much of it's power originally (I've never heard it)? Manu's drumming fits this version perfectly, if you don't like it, then you probably don't like the song as whole. He isn't the one making it upbeat, they ALL are, as a unit.

JAUQO III-X · #13 10-03-2011, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Kwesi

I guess everyone listens to music differently but I'm starting to notice that some folks really aren't fond of reinterpretations that differ in "feel" from the original. I'm not really one for lyrics most of the time but just because the feel was changed does that really mean that the song has lost that much of it's power originally (I've never heard it)? Manu's drumming fits this version perfectly, if you don't like it, then you probably don't like the song as whole. He isn't the one making it upbeat, they ALL are, as a unit.

Like you said, you've never heard the original.

Kwesi · #14 10-03-2011, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by JAUQO III-X

Like you said, you've never heard the original.

Fair enough but it was more of an observation of song reinterpretations overall, not just this particular song. I got a similar reaction when I posted a contemporary funk cover of a few Nirvana tunes (that I had heard the original versions of). It's interesting to me, though I can't say I understand it.

Dr. Cheese · #15 10-03-2011, 11:29 AM

I just listened to the Esther Phillips version, and it sounded upbeat to my ears. I guess the song is a sort of blues although it doesn't have a classic blues structure. Often a blues can have downbeat lyrics but have a lively or groovy feel. At a certain level, the contrast demonstrates how people continue to live or even enjoy life while also dealing with sorrow.

Dr. Cheese · #16 10-03-2011, 11:37 AM

Listening to the Meshell/Pino version again, I think the operative word is "cool." Meshell often takes a sort of cool, "above it all" stance in her music, especially when she is dealing with social issues.

Mojo-Man · #17 10-03-2011, 11:39 AM

Pino & Meshell, this is the bomb.
I have to go grab my P-Bass with flats.

bass12 · #18 10-03-2011, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Kwesi

I guess everyone listens to music differently but I'm starting to notice that some folks really aren't fond of reinterpretations that differ in "feel" from the original. I'm not really one for lyrics most of the time but just because the feel was changed does that really mean that the song has lost that much of it's power originally (I've never heard it)? Manu's drumming fits this version perfectly, if you don't like it, then you probably don't like the song as whole. He isn't the one making it upbeat, they ALL are, as a unit.

I would say that people are often more partial to the version they first became familiar with, whether it was the original or not. My previous response was not so much a response to a change in feel with the song overall but to the drummer not "playing for the song" as I hear it. There is, indeed, an upbeat element to the song - Pino is covering that with his syncopated line - but I find what Manu is doing to be inappropriate for the song. I'm just sick of hearing drummers who sound as if they are more out for themselves than up for serving the song - and that's what I'm hearing on that recording. I probably wouldn't normally be so bothered but lately I've just become really frustrated by some of what I'm seeing around me where drummers are concerned.

bass12 · #19 10-03-2011, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Cheese

I just listened to the Esther Phillips version, and it sounded upbeat to my ears. I guess the song is a sort of blues although it doesn't have a classic blues structure. Often a blues can have downbeat lyrics but have a lively or groovy feel. At a certain level, the contrast demonstrates how people continue to live or even enjoy life while also dealing with sorrow.

That is very true. I always loved the suggestion that "the blues is feeling good about feeling bad".

willgroove2 · #20 10-03-2011, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Cheese

I just listened to the Esther Phillips version, and it sounded upbeat to my ears. I guess the song is a sort of blues although it doesn't have a classic blues structure. Often a blues can have downbeat lyrics but have a lively or groovy feel. At a certain level, the contrast demonstrates how people continue to live or even enjoy life while also dealing with sorrow.

The original GSH track is upbeat in the sense that it's swinging,a lot of GSH stuff has a swinging jazz/R&B feel to it