Metallica Live For Whom the Bell Tolls w/ Cliff Shredding

Mr wiggl3s · #1 11-11-2010, 09:28 AM

Obviously, if you don't like metal, or having your face melted off, do not click. It's simple.

The master:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ex_QRjf4kIU

Jazz Ad · #2 11-11-2010, 09:31 AM

I think I will never get used to this fuzzy wah tone. It still sounds ugly and bassless to me after 20 years of listening to it.
What a great song though.

sonic assassin · #3 11-12-2010, 03:15 AM

btw, the bass destruction starts about 3:50. before that its just FWTBT live.

odin70 · #4 11-12-2010, 03:53 AM

James voice was sooooo much cooler then. Its a shame that they have become the most boring band in metal.

pnut166 · #5 11-12-2010, 03:57 AM

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Originally Posted by odin70

James voice was sooooo much cooler then. Its a shame that they have become the most boring band in metal.

**pringlw** · #6 11-12-2010, 04:10 AM

That right there... is the best bass for metal. RIP Cliff.

neurotictim · #7 11-12-2010, 04:21 AM

...I don't get it... You're talking about the guitar solo at the end?

I love Metallica, at least pre-Black Metallica, but I honestly feel like Cliff would have been happier playing the guitar - and that feeling is once again supported by a guitar solo played on the bass.

:shrug:

jollygiantchris · #8 11-12-2010, 08:26 AM

What the hell I can actually hear him in the mix ! INSANE!

AsianVoodoo · #9 11-12-2010, 08:34 AM

Anybody can throw their fingers at the strings with a bunch of effects on...

sevenyearsdown · #10 11-12-2010, 08:42 AM

I like the early Metallica stuff a lot. Cliff was a good musician in the metal world, but I don't get all the praise for basically playing guitar sols with effects on bass. He did some cool melodic stuff on some other tunes like Orion, but For Whom the Bell Tolls is meh. And that is one of the worst versions I've ever heard of them playing it.

Mr wiggl3s · #11 11-12-2010, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by sonic assassin

btw, the bass destruction starts about 3:50. before that its just FWTBT live.

Are you kiddin me man? Cliffs guitar goes way outside of what's on the album, just listen for it. And those screeches that come from his bass are amazing.

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Originally Posted by neurotictim

...I don't get it... You're talking about the guitar solo at the end?

I love Metallica, at least pre-Black Metallica, but I honestly feel like Cliff would have been happier playing the guitar - and that feeling is once again supported by a guitar solo played on the bass.

:shrug:

He did play guitar, and played lead guitar (for fun not metallica/spastik children). just enjoyed bass more.

Gawd · #12 11-12-2010, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by neurotictim

...I don't get it... You're talking about the guitar solo at the end?

I love Metallica, at least pre-Black Metallica, but I honestly feel like Cliff would have been happier playing the guitar - and that feeling is once again supported by a guitar solo played on the bass.

:shrug:

I've never understood this kind of view. Since when did the guitar have a patent on playing fast? If this is the case than shouldn't guitar players just play piano? The only thing that constitutes a guitar solo is the guitar. Otherwise there's nothing guitar specific as far as music goes.

vegas532 · #13 11-12-2010, 07:26 PM

Loved him back then and even though my tastes have totally branched outward from since I was young, I still do...regardless of what the critics say.

Valerus · #14 11-12-2010, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by AsianVoodoo

Anybody can throw their fingers at the strings with a bunch of effects on...

your comment is ridiculous.

DrSmaggs · #15 11-12-2010, 07:42 PM

Cliff had a magic about his playing. I wonder how killer he'd sound today if he were alive with the improvements in bass guitars and amplification...

DrSmaggs · #16 11-12-2010, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by AsianVoodoo

Anybody can throw their fingers at the strings with a bunch of effects on...

Clearly, you don't understand Cliff's style....

I don't know a soul that can play the way Cliff did. I've heard some close interpretations, but nothing worth a fart in the wind compared to Mr. Burton himself.

Some are surprised to learn that Cliff did a lot of contribution on Metallica's early work and his influence carried on for a while after his death.

By the way... that's a bass solo at the end.

pnut166 · #17 11-12-2010, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by DrSmaggs

Clearly, you don't understand Cliff's style....

I don't know a soul that can play the way Cliff did. I've heard some close interpretations, but nothing worth a fart in the wind compared to Mr. Burton himself.

Some are surprised to learn that Cliff did a lot of contribution on Metallica's early work and his influence carried on for a while after his death.

I agree. Cliff played with a wild abandon that can`t be duplicated. And his contribution to Metallica was obviously huge. He was the only formally educated musician in the band, and they leaned heavily on his knowledge of music. He wasn`t just a metalhead, either, like Lars and James - at the time of his death, one of his favorite bands was a little group out of Georgia called R.E.M. Genres weren`t viewed as boundaries by him. He was leading them in a prog direction with writing AJFA. Five or so years later, we get the Black Album. Not a bad record, but a pretty stark departure from Justice. Hard to imagine where they`d be today with him still here. I`m not saying he`s the greatest bassist ever, but his contributions to Metallica were more than just filling the bass slot.

sonic assassin · #18 11-13-2010, 04:26 AM

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Originally Posted by DrSmaggs

Cliff had a magic about his playing. I wonder how killer he'd sound today if he were alive with the improvements in bass guitars and amplification...

i can think of very few improvements..

his gear was just fine. all he ever needed was a clean blend for his fuzz. im sure that could have been made.

sonic assassin · #19 11-13-2010, 04:30 AM

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Originally Posted by AsianVoodoo

Anybody can throw their fingers at the strings with a bunch of effects on...

wah and fuzz... its not like he hit one note and played with 3 delay pedals until our heads exploded.

in a genre like thrash metal, the only way to step out of the mix is to be above it. if you want a bass solo over thrash metal, you'd better make it a giant guitar. which he did. well.

funk.. you may get more room to play traditional bass. but thrash is a drum and guitar driven genre. the bassist doesnt always have to be there. those who use their bassists well are great, but its very few.

this is the same sort of attitude that would condemn lemmy, as hes basically just a baritone rhythm guitar.

not all bass has to be traditional. relax.

**pringlw** · #20 11-13-2010, 05:15 AM

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Originally Posted by pnut166

I agree. Cliff played with a wild abandon that can`t be duplicated. And his contribution to Metallica was obviously huge. He was the only formally educated musician in the band, and they leaned heavily on his knowledge of music. He wasn`t just a metalhead, either, like Lars and James - at the time of his death, one of his favorite bands was a little group out of Georgia called R.E.M. Genres weren`t viewed as boundaries by him. He was leading them in a prog direction with writing AJFA. Five or so years later, we get the Black Album. Not a bad record, but a pretty stark departure from Justice. Hard to imagine where they`d be today with him still here. I`m not saying he`s the greatest bassist ever, but his contributions to Metallica were more than just filling the bass slot.

+1 on that. Besides, I've never bought into the mindset which says there's a "wrong" style for * any* instrument. As long as you are playing original music, you can play whatever you want if it sounds good to your audience.