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Old 07-17-2009, 02:06 AM
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Motown recorded in Hollywood as early as 1964

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I thought this might be interesting to Motown fans who may have heard all the debates about whether any of the Motown hits were actually recorded in Hollywood and played by L.A. studio musicians and how early on these recordings were done. Here's a short article from Billboard magazine on November 16, 1964 found by a bassist in Switzerland-- you can click on the link to see the article as it actually looked in the magazine. It's on page 48.


http://books.google.ch/books?id=TgsE...pg=PA1&pg=PA48 <http://books.google.ch/books?id=TgsEAAAAMBAJ&lpg=PA1&pg=PA48>
Nov. 16, 1964 Billboard Magazine, Page 48:

"MOTOWN OPENS COAST OFFICE
Hollywood: Detroit-based Motown Records has opened an office here to handle a.& r. and publishing activities. Marc Gordon and Hal Davis, two Los Angeles indie producers, have been signed to operate the branch.

Already signed to the label by Gordon and Davis are Brenda and Patrice Holloway, 17 and 12 years old respectively and a 17-year old Canadian singer Clive Clerk.

Besides uncovering New artists for Tamla-Motown, Gordon said he and Davis would record the label's other artists who would fly here for sessions. Already scheduled is an LP session with Little Stevie Wonder, whom Gordon has obtained a spot for in the forthcoming film "Muscle Beach Party."

Gordon said he would be looking for talent in other areas besides rock and roll. He further explained that he would represent Motown's two publishers Jobete (BMI) and Stein Vanstock (ASCAP). Both he and Davis would represent International Talent Management in procuring bookings for Motown artists in this region."

Notice Stevie Wonder being called by his original stage name then-Little Stevie Wonder. Boy, that was a long time ago.

Here are some of the L.A. studio musicians who played the L.A. Motown dates dates--

Hollywood Motown drummers included Jesse Sailes , Earl Palmer, Sharky Hall, Paul Humphrey, James Gadson, Ed Greene, Gene Pello, Hal Blaine, and a couple of others. Earl Palmer did the most Motown 1960s Hollywood dates, and the drummer from Detroit also flew out to record some.

Bass players were Arthur Wright (1st one for Motown), Carol Kaye, Rene Hall, others like Bob West, Red Callendar, Jimmy Bond, Lyle Ritz, Ray Pohlman, a total of 8-9 bass players they used in the 1960s (later on with the Jackson 5, Wilton Felder and Bob West played the same bass part on "ABC" hit)

Guitarists included Arthur Wright, Carol Kaye (first 2-3 motown dates, then bass after that), Bud Coleman, Rene Hall, Tommy Tedesco (he set the cash scale 2 tunes for $35 instead of 2 tunes for $25, they cut 2 tunes as fast as in a 1/2 hour) Don Peake, Billy Strange, Al Casey, Lou Morell, others.

Some may find it upsetting that Motown could have been recording hit records any place other than their famous studio in Detroit and that studio musicians from elsewhere played these sessions. But if you keep in mind how many hits Motown was cranking out in those days it's easy to see that that one studio couldn't have recorded them all, even going 24 hours a day and the Detroit musicians couldn't possibly have played that many dates. This is no way diminishes the well deserved reputations of the Detroit Motown session musicians. They did create that unique style themselves.
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Old 07-17-2009, 02:21 AM
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Thanks! That's "very" interesting...
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Old 07-17-2009, 02:37 AM
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None of that's news, and none of it is ammunition for a certain players' claims, that will remain nameless in this post but not in this thread.
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Old 07-17-2009, 11:33 AM
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None of that's news, and none of it is ammunition for a certain players' claims, that will remain nameless in this post but not in this thread.
Yea, and doesn't the ammunition get old, recycled, and the same old stuff. This has already been discussed to death. Do a search!

How about staying on the topic of early Motown here? I bet a lot of others would like to be spared yet another claims discussion. Spare me!
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Old 07-17-2009, 12:59 PM
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Yea, and doesn't the ammunition get old, recycled, and the same old stuff. This has already been discussed to death. Do a search!

How about staying on the topic of early Motown here? I bet a lot of others would like to be spared yet another claims discussion. Spare me!
I only brought it up because I assumed this is what the thread was about, by implication. I still think for the record it's an important subject, and information like this needs to be put in context of what material they were recording, etc.
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Old 07-18-2009, 07:06 AM
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No offence to anyone, but I had no idea Motown was recording in LA at the time, and found it rather interesting. This means zero to me in terms of the continued respect I have for all Motown artists and musicians, however. That remains unchanged.
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Old 07-18-2009, 11:04 AM
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No offence to anyone, but I had no idea Motown was recording in LA at the time, and found it rather interesting. This means zero to me in terms of the continued respect I have for all Motown artists and musicians, however. That remains unchanged.
Nothing offensive with what you said at all. I myself knew that Motown was recording in LA at that time but I know a lot of others, particularly the younger guys, don't. I just happened to be in Hollywood recording with my own group at that time and heard about it from engineers and producers we worked with. My respect for what the original Detroit musicians, producers, arrangers and songwriters created also is very high. Motown is a testament to some of the best playing and writing in pop music and they changed the sound of music for the better. You just don't hear music played with that much feeling in the current R&B recordings in my opinion. There are thousands of bar bands who wouldn't have much of a set list left without those songs.

The first engineer to record the Motown hits that came out of Hollywood, Armin Steiner (he built a studio specially for that purpose)was interviewed in the magazine Mix in the March 1979 issue. Here's what he had to say--

"I was heavily involved with the early Motown hits. It was the beginning of a lot of rhythm and blues that was so important in those days. We were experimenting, trying to find out how much we could push the medium to be able to get the emotional style in the music so that it would, when played on a jukebox or in a home, have that kind of impact."
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Old 07-18-2009, 11:41 AM
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I meant I didn't want to get involved with any fanboy weirdness that was referenced earlier in the thread. All Motown sounds great, regardless of who played on what, and I'm sure everyone was a smokin player.
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