Newstedt has harder bass lines then Burton?

Nojja · #1 12-31-2006, 08:21 PM

( well i know its silly to compare bla blah blah)
But on every youtube video with bass involved theres always like 100000 comments with OH RIP BURTON GREATEST PLAYER EVER, OH THAT WAS GOOD ;BUT NOT IN WITH CLIFF bla bla...

Just check the whole and justice for all record...

blackened & And justice for all, both songs is more technially advanced than what burton every played i think ( well battery and some other song maybe are in same class ,but anyway)..

I can agree that burton was more skilled when it comes to creating songs and music overall.

But i think newstedt is very underrated..

TeeMartin · #2 12-31-2006, 08:44 PM

Well no one knows what the actual AJFA basslines are since they're inaudible and Metallica turned into a Nickelbackesque pop band after that album. That and Hetfield wrote a lot of Jason's lines. So it's really hard to judge Jason as a player. He got the job done is the bottomline.

metalbass777 · #3 12-31-2006, 09:55 PM

Jason was always on a lesh. Seems like all he did was pluck the open E most of the time or the root. He was better in Flotsam & Jetsam. He wrote most of the songs. Listen to them with Jason and you will hear a diff.

Kink Rimson · #4 01-02-2007, 03:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Nojja

( well i know its silly to compare bla blah blah)
But on every youtube video with bass involved theres always like 100000 comments with OH RIP BURTON GREATEST PLAYER EVER, OH THAT WAS GOOD ;BUT NOT IN WITH CLIFF bla bla...

Just check the whole and justice for all record...

blackened & And justice for all, both songs is more technially advanced than what burton every played i think ( well battery and some other song maybe are in same class ,but anyway)..

I can agree that burton was more skilled when it comes to creating songs and music overall.

But i think newstedt is very underrated..

What an idiotic way to put your point across! If only Cliff hadn't gone and selfishly died then we could have heard him perform the more technically advanced AJFA material!

Just because Cliff chose not to do it, doesn't mean he couldn't.

Doctor J · #5 01-02-2007, 04:47 AM

You can't really compare Cliff and Jason, each had to do their thing in different eras of Metallica's existence. Very different playing styles, very different personalities, very different circumstances (one having to overcome the shadow of the other). Both are very accomplished players (albeit in very different ways), is that not what counts?

What gets me is how noboday takes into account Newsted's playing and songwriting on the first Flotsam And Jetsam record Doomsday For The Deciever (and his significant songwriting contribution on their second - No Place For Disgrace). If you want to know Newsted, you need to hear those two records. Newsted was never given a fair go in terms of Metallica's direction and recorded output, IMO of course, but did enough with Flotsam And Jetsam and latterly with Voivod to have earned the right to be more than just "Cliff's replacement".

Depth_Charge · #6 01-02-2007, 05:01 AM

If your source data wasn't YouTube, and had you compared songs that Cliff wrote and played on to songs Jason wrote and played on, I'd probably have a lot more to contribute to this discussion. As it stands I don't, the only thing I care to say is that both the late Cliff Burton and Jason Newsted are awesome bass players with a level of skill most of us can only dream of having, and both men have gotten further in their respective bands and careers than most of us will ever desire let alone achieve.

sparx109 · #7 01-02-2007, 05:08 AM

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Originally Posted by TeeMartin

Well no one knows what the actual AJFA basslines are since they're inaudible and Metallica turned into a Nickelbackesque pop band after that album. That and Hetfield wrote a lot of Jason's lines. So it's really hard to judge Jason as a player. He got the job done is the bottomline.

i know what the actual basslines are for AJFA, i got the official tablature book for it, while it has someimpressive basslines in that album, i still reckon Cliff Burton owns the bass guitar and i would still think this if he was still alive (just so people dont think i worship him coz he's dead like most people think about Kurt Cobain). Newstead is good, and yes he is very underrated but he was no replacement for Cliff nor shall any other bassist for Metallica be...in my opinion anyway :P

Depth_Charge · #8 01-02-2007, 05:49 AM

I can imagine the flaming Jason would get on here if he did sound and play just like Cliff!!

People on here would be calling him a copycat Burton wannabe and everyone would knock him for trying that s*** with a pick!!

It actually sounds to me that this post is based heavily on Wolf Mashall's introduction in the AJFA book...he makes mention that AJFA and Blackened are Jason's standout works on the album too...and in that same paragrapgh, prior to mentioning these songs, he also writes that "Jason Newsted (formerly of Flotsam and Jetsam) was inducted into the lineup and has proved equal to the task".

Jereth · #9 01-02-2007, 05:03 PM

I always thought Newsted was under-rated, but Ciff wasn't over-rated.

To be honest, I can do almost all of Cliff's stuff(Call of Ktulu is hard) but not much of Jasons earlier stuff. I just think it's more rhythmically complicated than shadowing the guitar. People praise Cliff for that, I prefer his solos. But nearly all his riffs are just mirroring the guitars...

f'nar f'nar · #10 01-02-2007, 09:31 PM

This arguement has been brought up so many times I'm suprised there's enough people on this forum who still actually care...

Depth_Charge · #11 01-02-2007, 10:08 PM

I'm never surprised when people care about a subject.

And I'd prefer to have the same discussion with people who do care about a subject than no discussion with those who don't

Those who are still surprised, or don't care, don't have to contribute.

inspire thy... · #12 01-04-2007, 09:52 PM

I think so many people care becouse both Jason and Cliff are such of a big inspiration for many of today bass players.

Old school Metallica (RIP Cliff) is what gave me my finger speed and motivation to play - hence me adding my two bob!

Scott in Dallas · #13 01-04-2007, 09:59 PM

because I don't care about the discussion, but

Who is Newstedt?

inspire thy... · #14 01-04-2007, 10:07 PM

LMFAO!

ALiP BoB · #15 01-05-2007, 12:23 AM

Jason would be more "rated" if he picked softer.

D.E.C. · #16 01-07-2007, 02:40 PM

Forget these "clowns"--I wanna know who's the better AC/DC bassist. Is it Mark Evans, or his replacement, Cliff Williams? It looks to me like Cliff can play the ass off him........

Depth_Charge · #17 01-07-2007, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by ALiP BoB

Jason would be more "rated" if he picked softer.

Jason would be rated better if people stopped comparing him to other bassists and looked at the skillsets he brings to a band in it's own light - Great choice of gear, great songwriting, great stage presence, great ability to withstand pressure etc etc.

Sure I love Cliff, and I love Jason, I just don't think I can compare one to the other as such, just like I don't compare Trujillo to either, he is a bassist in his own right. . .

jsbass · #18 01-07-2007, 07:21 PM

Don't judge Jason's skill by what you hear him do in Metallica, listen to him on his other projects or with Voivod (Voivod and Katorz albums) and Flotsam & Jetsam (Doomsday for the Deceiver album).

Depth_Charge · #19 01-07-2007, 09:37 PM

And let's not forget his work on Rockstar Supernova

ALiP BoB · #20 01-08-2007, 06:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Depth_Charge

Jason would be rated better if people stopped comparing him to other bassists and looked at the skillsets he brings to a band in it's own light - Great choice of gear, great songwriting, great stage presence, great ability to withstand pressure etc etc.

I agree, I'm just saying he picks too hard all the time.
I guess that's what makes his basslines "harder". Get it?

Nvm...