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Old 06-14-2008, 11:50 PM
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Poppin' and Slappin' pains

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Well I have been playing bass for about a year and a half now and I have come a long way. When I first started playing, it killed my fingers walking and moving my fingers along the fretboard, they eventually calloused so much that it rarely ever bothers me. However lately I have been getting into a lot of slappin' and poppin', and it really kills my fingers. Is this normal? Will the same happen (callous?) because I like doing this, but it just hurts lol. Anything to help? Thank you.
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What kind of pain? Is it like throbbing joint pain, or just surface pain where you are hitting the strings that stings and then passes quickly?
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my thumb is fine, so is the joint. But my index finger (which I primarily use for poppin' most) kills on the surface of it.
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Your fingers will callous, and they maybe killing you depending on how aggressive you are playing (playing some bone crushing mayhem funk?), back in the RHCP old days Flea would be screaming because he wore a whole in his thumb from playing so crazy funky fast.
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Old 06-15-2008, 12:20 AM
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Sounds like you're just playing too hard. You'll develop callouses in time, but you're probably just playing too hard. Perhaps try lowering your action a bit, or just play more gently and more smoothly. A lot of bassists tend to dig in more than necessary when they are first learning to slap and pop. It really doesn't take much. One thing I tell students is to start extremely soft, so soft that no sound comes out, and apply more pressure gradually until you get that pop tone. Just past that threshold is really all it takes; doing it harder than that just wears more on your hands unnecessarily. Hope this helps.
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Yeah I have been learning stuff from the Uplift Mofo Party Plan days and I learned part of Higher Ground today.
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Your fingers will callous, and they maybe killing you depending on how aggressive you are playing (playing some bone crushing mayhem funk?), back in the RHCP old days Flea would be screaming because he wore a whole in his thumb from playing so crazy funky fast.
+1 At RHCP's first huge venue, Flea was playing so aggressively that they had to keep pouring super glue into the hole in his thumb and index finger between songs
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yeah I have heard alot of that before, does anyone have any like video of him actually saying this though? Just interested.
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+1 At RHCP's first huge venue, Flea was playing so aggressively that they had to keep pouring super glue into the hole in his thumb and index finger between songs
It is slap bass, not assault bass. +1 on a light touch.
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I think it's unfortunate that people use the term "slap," because that's not really what you're doing and IME beginning slappers think you're supposed to play hard. Larry Graham, inventor of the technique, calls it "thumping," which I think is more accurate. You really just need to use as much pressure as, say, opening a can of soda by pulling on the tab when you "pop," at the most, and as much pressure with your thumb when you slap as you would, say, patting the seat next to you to indicate an invitation for someone to sit. It should be a fluid motion that you can repeat all night with ease.

It's especially important to practice keeping the pressure consistent, because when you're nervous, you'll tend to dig in harder (e.g. in front of an audience). This not only causes pain but bad intonation as well as pitch & timing accuracy problems. Your hands should be very relaxed when you play. Think of the way a cat walks - it seems effortless. That's how playing your instrument should be. Practice, practice, practice until your technique is second nature, and you can focus on the art of the music itself.

Here's a good example:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOTy3yhCylw

Notice how relaxed his right hand is, nee, his entire body, even on flourishes. Being relaxed also is more efficient and economical as far as using energy and lets you therefore play much faster, if the song calls for it.

Slapping with your thumb really just means twisting/rotating your hand, like the way you would turn your arm to go from looking at the inside of your wrist to looking at your watch. You should not be using the muscles in your hand or shoulder at all, only your forearm muscles. Here's an exercise you can do to teach yourself to use the correct ones: Let your right arm hang loosely at your side, extend your thumb, and then tap yourself on the front of your leg using the side of your thumb by twisting/rotating your arm from the wrist down. Your forearm may rotate slightly in this process, but your upper arm (bicep/tricep area) should be totally still. This is how you slap, except that you will need to bend your elbow in order to bring it to the right height for playing your bass. It should be effortless and the weight of your hand, wrist, and distal (farthest from your shoulder) half of your forearm should be all the pressure you need on the strings.

Hope this helps.
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That helps alot, and yeah thumping is more accurate
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yeah I have heard alot of that before, does anyone have any like video of him actually saying this though? Just interested.
I saw it on behind the music a while back.....so hopefully its true
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Yeah I have been learning stuff from the Uplift Mofo Party Plan days and I learned part of Higher Ground today.
I used to find my upper arm got very tired from playing higher ground. that was always the test of my slapping endurance.

I do agree with the others though, you don't need to beat the heck out of the instrument...just hit it enough to get the click and pop sounds.

Flea on the other hand gets his whole sound from playing VERY HARD. I'm not surprised he need superglue.

BTW, I've actually been trying to slap less recently. I was a Class A offender of over-playing/slapping back in the 90s.
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